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Hi techies,

I just obtained a Jackie Chan arcade PCB, and the only available sound options are amplified speaker +/- (and audio ground) via the jamma harness or amplified stereo (L/R + and -) via a pin header. See http://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/J/Jackie_Chan_In_Fists_Of_Fire_Operation_Manual.pdf

I know enough about electronics and amps to have basic familiarity, but not enough to really understand the complexities.

As far as I can see (and with help from https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mame/drivers/jchan.cpp), there's a TA8210 2-channel power amplifier connected to these amplified audio outputs (makes sense), with inputs that trace back to a trim pot, whose inputs in turn go through some resistor/capacitor networks back to a C4741C differential input quad op-amp. Of course the op-amp outputs feed back into the inputs, so there's all of that.

The block diagram of the TA8210 in the datasheet below matches pretty much perfectly the implementation as I've probed around it:

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/31449/TOSHIBA/TA8210.html

But due to the presence of the trimpot, I'm not quite sure whether the inputs to the power amp are considered ''line level" - or whether that needs to be taken from before the trimpot and somewhere in between it and the op-amp (and capacitor/resistor madness). Unfortunately there's not a useful block diagram of reference implementation around the C4741C.

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/12099/ONSEMI/MC4741CD.html

Any help appreciated. I can try to work out more of the cap/res madness around the C4741C if that's useful.

If the answer is just 'take line level from straight after (or before) the trim pot' then that's excellent :)
 
You can try testing the voltage of the stereo outputs to see if they are within the line level output range. I believe it is max +/- 2V but is normally around the 750mV range. The peak AC Voltage setting on a digital multimeter should capture this. If its running through an amplification circuit it should be considerably higher than this. I did study audio engineering but it was a long time ago and I'm a little hazy on the details. you can use the average voltage if you are having trouble with the meter reading spiking. I hope that helps. Feel free to let me know if I'm totally wrong.

Did you buy it off Kelvin?
 
Yeah, from kelvin.

Here's what I've done for the "line audio" - I'm not entirely sure it's the best place to take it from, but sounds OK to me - and about the right volume. I've taken it from the trimpot inputs.

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If we say the pin on the trimpot closest to the edge of the board is pin 1, then:
pin 1 is ???
pin 2 is GND
pin 3 is post-trimpot (attenuated) R audio
pin 4 is post-trimpot (attenuated) L audio
pin 5 is R audio pre-trimpot (line?)
pin 6 is L audio pre-trimpot (line?)
pin 7 is ???
 
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