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XtraSmiley
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WTF, we had 200 people interested before…
here we need to do a little more advertising, many have not understood the importance of this project, we are talking about a fundamental part of a cabinet which is an icon, not at all rare and much appreciated.
I have been and continue to be willing to purchase a larger stock for the future, but I can’t front a huge sum to meet that minimum or anything, this def needs to be a community effort in that respect. I’m not quite to that level of bankrolling every project yet ):
AlxUnderBase
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My opinion is his releases are in most of cases better than originalsPlease make it screen print like the original
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I have no doubtMy opinion is his releases are in most of cases better than originals
His E2 side art was amazing. I backed this project on the basis of screen printing, as I've gone down the sticker path before and it just isn't as nice as the original screen print method.It's all a bit moot now, until all the other buggers pay up!
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XtraSmiley
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I've heard some complaints about how this is being made. Can you confirm it is injection molded for the plastic and 100% silkscreen printed.
Hello Arcade fans! I would like to chime in on this topic.
My contribution and involvement to this reproduction are non profitable to me. I simply want this made.
As I refurbishing Japanese cabs, certain parts are hard to come by. One could argue that those parts are the finishing touches that makes these machine look pristine again.
Asking ahead of production to finance such parts is partly aimed to be as close to those original parts. Injectionmolds, as the original parts had been made back in the days, wasn't aimed for low production numbers and creating this for less then 100 parts is not profitable. As I saw the screen prints form TR-S, I can say I have no doubts this will be the "Only Repo" that will be close to original parts. I mean they are indistinguishable to their originals.
Every Egret owner knows how difficult it is to get hold of original parts, especially the LOM. It is fair to say ~220$ is cheap!
The original Egret 2 Lom, didn't age well (brittle, very fragile and colours are fading) It needs replacement. As neither Sega or Taito ever made these to last for that many decades.
The TR-S guys are the only ones that would approach this the right way. That said I was arguing that the original parts are faulty in my opinion and there might be a different approach to injection molding.
Why not upgrading? Does it has to be exactly like the original?
Bear with me. If it would look exactly the same from the outside (where is seen) but would be carved out (milled) of a solid block of opal plastic and screen printed. This way it won't bend, crack and could also be used as a light diffuser. Also it would be held in place without using stickers or glue.
What are your thoughts on this? Do we want a exact original reproduced or a reproduction that looks identically but made differently?
kolor
My contribution and involvement to this reproduction are non profitable to me. I simply want this made.
As I refurbishing Japanese cabs, certain parts are hard to come by. One could argue that those parts are the finishing touches that makes these machine look pristine again.
Asking ahead of production to finance such parts is partly aimed to be as close to those original parts. Injectionmolds, as the original parts had been made back in the days, wasn't aimed for low production numbers and creating this for less then 100 parts is not profitable. As I saw the screen prints form TR-S, I can say I have no doubts this will be the "Only Repo" that will be close to original parts. I mean they are indistinguishable to their originals.
Every Egret owner knows how difficult it is to get hold of original parts, especially the LOM. It is fair to say ~220$ is cheap!
The original Egret 2 Lom, didn't age well (brittle, very fragile and colours are fading) It needs replacement. As neither Sega or Taito ever made these to last for that many decades.
The TR-S guys are the only ones that would approach this the right way. That said I was arguing that the original parts are faulty in my opinion and there might be a different approach to injection molding.
Why not upgrading? Does it has to be exactly like the original?
Bear with me. If it would look exactly the same from the outside (where is seen) but would be carved out (milled) of a solid block of opal plastic and screen printed. This way it won't bend, crack and could also be used as a light diffuser. Also it would be held in place without using stickers or glue.
What are your thoughts on this? Do we want a exact original reproduced or a reproduction that looks identically but made differently?
kolor
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bagheera369
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Since you've opened the floor to ask....
Upgrades to a part are fine. Make it better, stronger, less UV succeptible, whatever.
The problem and the hesitancy comes, when the consumer (us) has no idea what the producer (you and Hursit) are doing, and no idea what the final product will be.
Hursit has stated the goal was to shoot for screenprint....but if that did not work, then stickers/vinyl wrap instead.
Now you have interjected here, about "upgrading" to a milled plastic rather than injection molding, and this is the first it has been brought up......but PAYMENTS have already been requested and submitted.
What's the price of injection VS milling?
Is 250/unit still a fair price for milling units?
Can the price be made more competitive due to the milling process?
We already know that the production costs would be cheper if they have to be stickered/wrapped, instead of screen-printed, but refunds/cost shifts for that, were not discussed either.
The community has been asked to put forth over 30,000$ (250 per unit @ 150 units) to front this, and there is not a prototype, a defined production process, a guarantee of finished materials, zip, zilch, nada.......only the insistence that we take a risk to fund this, and hope it turns out fine, based on Hursit's name and the promise/hope of a part that will be cheap enough to be accessible, rather than 700$ a piece on ebay.
Well, if you've not been paying attention around this forum as of late, we've had a couple members here that had excellent names and reputations, that have lightly toasted them, if not completely scorched them, due to taking funds and not delivering, or going no contact for extended periods of time. I'm not inferring Hursit would do this, but I'm sure there are folks that are gun-shy.
I personally had my experience when I asked SPECIFICALLY if spare gears and wearable parts for the Forgotten Worlds Spinners would be available, to ensure the units would be repairable, in case of a bad part, or wear.....and was told that spare parts would definitely be available. Then, after money was taken, and spinners were being shipped, that "yes, definitely" turned into "i'm sorry, no".
I didn't pay 500$ for a pair of spinners that couldn't be repaired if things went wrong, so I sold mine, unused, still in box, almost immediately.
I would love to have new LOM's for my cabs....I'm willing to settle for E2's instead of E3's or AWSD's if I must........but I'm not putting money down on maybes and something that's not defined, hoping it all works out again.
Take the risk, produce the part, show me it works and is well made, and you'll have my money......till then....I'm sorry.
I told injection mold
People paid for injection molded product. That's it.
The thing is
if we cannot collect enough preorders, then i will refund all payments. That's it
it is not at the end of the world if i won't make this project happen.
I don't like when people gives some bad examples about the trust.
if people believe and trust, we can make it. If not, no problem. Easy to cancel
People paid for injection molded product. That's it.
The thing is
if we cannot collect enough preorders, then i will refund all payments. That's it
it is not at the end of the world if i won't make this project happen.
I don't like when people gives some bad examples about the trust.
if people believe and trust, we can make it. If not, no problem. Easy to cancel
Please do not cancel, just wait a little more time. You are the only one I know who can do this repro!I told injection mold
People paid for injection molded product. That's it.
The thing is
if we cannot collect enough preorders, then i will refund all payments. That's it
it is not at the end of the world if i won't make this project happen.
I don't like when people gives some bad examples about the trust.
if people believe and trust, we can make it. If not, no problem. Easy to cancel
not cancelling it now, but I know where these conversations will end.
As I stated I am not financially involved and my contribution is on my free time. I will not benefit financially in any way, just wanted this to be addressed. Again, my involvement is so this will become a reproduction!
Every single one of the pre-orders will get full refund if this project fails.
Injection-molding is an expensive proposition, therefore the pre-orders. No one is forced to pre-order. Did you pre-order bagheera369 or just complaining?
The final product will be a replica that will be indistinguishable to the original. As of what process to do will be determined on production cost.
The milled portion was an idea of mine as this can be made to lower production numbers.
k
Every single one of the pre-orders will get full refund if this project fails.
Injection-molding is an expensive proposition, therefore the pre-orders. No one is forced to pre-order. Did you pre-order bagheera369 or just complaining?
The final product will be a replica that will be indistinguishable to the original. As of what process to do will be determined on production cost.
The milled portion was an idea of mine as this can be made to lower production numbers.
k
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Having seen other artwork from Hursit, I am hesitant to believe it. The artwork on the Cutes is not arcade quality (very thin shoddy stickers), and even simple things like the CAPCOM logo are incorrect. And that's been vectorized all over the internet for decades. There was not an attention to detail then, and it's curious to have a sudden expectation that there would be now.
There's also a history of promising one thing, and changing it mid-project (well after money has been received). Like the panels that do not fit an OG Cute, and skimping on the speaker grills.
I'd say 98% of owners don't /need/ this replaced and have never considered it to be an issue. If you DO need one, yes, they're awful to find now.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you have any experience with injection molded parts being brought to market? And screen printing on weird curved plastic pieces? And the artwork in the past has been hit or miss. If it were metal, I'm sure no one would question because it is in your wheelhouse and you've got some proven experience.
I don't think anyone's questioning your integrity, they're questioning the quality of the final product and can't prove it will be nice since you can't produce a sample.
This is how the Cute project went too. So 2 projects where what was promised was not what was delivered. Which of course is going to make people wary of project 3. And thank you @bagheera369 for finding the words to say a lot of the things I've been thinking surrounding this.
Rewrite, I can't respond to those other works you refering to. I have two Sega Astro City's and two Egret 2 side-art stickers made by TR-S ~in my own opinion, not only are they well made but screen printed in the right colours with dot rasterisation. Non of those you can find even close to what others are selling.
Frankly, I do not seen any contribution from either of you. Sounded more like complaining. And let me guess, it's just a guess, you both have not placed any orders, didn't ya? No one gets forced to buy anything, so what's the struggle? Pre-order or get refunded. READ THE TITLE of this post:
Frankly, I do not seen any contribution from either of you. Sounded more like complaining. And let me guess, it's just a guess, you both have not placed any orders, didn't ya? No one gets forced to buy anything, so what's the struggle? Pre-order or get refunded. READ THE TITLE of this post:
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bagheera369
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I have not spoken disrespectfully to anyone....and it wasn't my intention to poison this thread, whatsoever. I voiced my concerns to @XtraSmiley in private, to avoid doing that specifically, an he brought forth that people were questioning the product.
Then you walked in, and posited the possibility of changing the production method again, and asked for opinions....so you got mine.
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Constructive criticism, questioning, and accountability make projects better, in the way a sword has to have the holy shit beat out of it, to become useful.
When you run from those hammer blows, rather than face them, the end product suffers as a result.
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I am absolutely interested in getting LOM panels for my cab, and voiced as much in this thread, and asked questions regarding the process, and options, in this thread.
Then, I read things that made me question a 500$ investment, and I decided not to go forward. I left those thoughts private, until today.
I've never spoken ill of Hursit or you personally...I don't know either of you personally.....I'm posting criticism of a product and a production process.
You swinging at me for "not contributing", even though I've purchased multiple TR Fightsticks products in the past, and have attempted to clarify options and info in this thread previously....well....it reflects on you, more than it does me, sir.
I'm done with this conversation...you asked for my opinion, you got it.....the forum can take from that what it will, and can produce whatever judgement of my opinion it deems apporpriate.
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