this is pretty epic @twistedsymphony, TMNT2 is pretty much the last game on my (current) want-list. Guess i'm gonna have to keep a lookout for Quiz now, and give this a shot!
without hacking the roms? probably none.so which other games can we convert a Quiz Gakumon Pcb into?
I mean without having to hack the roms.
The (lacking a better term) "Sunset" PCBs themselves are identical, all the same wiring is present in all games/versions, however the population of custom chips is radically different.however, we don't know if these PCBs are wired differently, so while the board might have all the right hardware it still may not work correctly.
Exactly. I do some pretty generic searches (like "sega" and "konami") on YAJ daily. I started looking for a QG PCB after I started this thread, and a few weeks later one popped up. I was the only bidder and as I said it went for $40 with artwork. I haven't seen another one come up since.Quiz is pretty cheap, but it's not very common at all... I think you'll find availability and not price is the barrier here.
I'm working off the same impression, that's what they did, and why they did it.As it is it seems like Konami just made something cheap and easy to get rid of their TMNT2 PCB stock.
I wouldn't say it's "radically" different.the population of custom chips is radically different.
ok, so the two customs on TMNT2/QG are for protection and scaling/rotation... that just leaves the question as to what the custom on SSR does.I know one of the customs helps with math for scaling and rotational effects, and that it can never be hacked out...
As TMNT2 uses this, most notably when throwing foot soldiers towards the screen.
This was common practice for many arcade companies. They sunk a lot of money into the hardware and wanted to recouped as much money as possible when gearing up for other projects. I was reading some old Capcom dev interviews and they talked about it. Though, apparently some companies did have old kits sit around for ages, untouched. Through a series of interesting connections, in 2004 I purchased an Osman kit directly from Mitchell. Amazing seeing something addressed directly to me from them:As it is it seems like Konami just made something cheap and easy to get rid of their TMNT2 PCB stock.
This sounds like an arcade project to meWithout hacking the roms? NONE! No probably about it!
This is what I've been trying to say... Without ROM hacking, this board family CAN'T be considered practical for conversions in any real/meaningful way.
My buddy found a glitched Simpsons for cheap, one of the custom sprite gen chips was bad...I wish I could go back in time and grab the Simpsons, but that train has passed.
And not a single tear was shed. Martial Champions is such rubbish. I'm almost positive that's the lowest price PCB I've ever owned (less than $20, shipped) and even the crazy low price was not enough to convince me to keep it.My buddy found a glitched Simpsons for cheap, one of the custom sprite gen chips was bad...He then hot air pulled it, and replaced it with another sprite gen from a (50$) Martial Champions.
Aw, what happened to using XLR?!And a bonus photo showing off my stereo line-level audio lead