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Not an easy task in 2019 with the demand and availability of stock. Then there is the last 5 years across multiple forums of what I'd consider failed group buys as they had major issues on a communication and distribution level. I feel that is why there are a few veterans chiming in here.

There is one thing I do want to share with the group, just to have an understanding of my experience in 2005, buying my first Candy while in Japan. The market change from 2007 - 2013 and now its 2019. This is very important as far as expectations go.

Quick background:

My first candy was a New Astro City I got while I was in Japan for 3 months training Tokyo SAR from June to August 2005, after spending months in Banda Aceh for humanitarian relief of their Tsunami. The only reason why I had the opportunity was due to 2 friends with me that had sourced S14 parts and engines for 240SX to Silvia conversions. They needed a container, period. Thankfully, we had someone at Yokota that spoke Japanese and knew the area well being stationed there and had contacts with a JP distributor for AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Service). For those that do not know, not only do US Military bases overseas have local vendors and contracted services for things like produce, fuel, parts, and other basic needs items. They acquire standard items for base services like arcade machines, bowling, theater equipment, and other entertainment services.

2005:

This is 2005, a Sega Club had shutdown somewhere in Okayama, a separate location from the Aeon Mall. When we went to the distributor they had over 400 New Astro Cities alone to choose from (Remember, these cabs were 8-10 years old then). 40 of which they just acquired from Okayama. Mind you that these cabinets were in extremely good condition as the majority of these distributors were selling to other arcades in Japan, not shipping to the US. They also had stockpiles of NOS and used parts from liquidations and standard stocking of parts they purchased from Sega over the years. To include, monitors, chassis, and cabinet spares. Heavily damaged cabinets were parted out.

2005 was a low point for arcades due too the rise in consoles and more specifically console arcade ports quality in JP from '99 - '05 and release time frames compared to the past. Many centers shutdown and the bigger "chains" consolidated locations.

And for shits n giggles. 2005 was my first direct exposure to Cave Co. Ltd. as Ibara was just released in mid July. As well as all previous titles still popular at many locations.

2007 - 2013:

I consider this era, the US CRT import high and cherry picking time period. New cabinets like the Noir, Lindbergh, and Vewlix came out. Locations needed floor space and cut down on CRT cabinets. During this time, Matsu was a known source in cherry picking pre-distro on these cabinets coming off location. Myself, I had purchased 2 Egret IIs in almost collector quality. As they came serviced and general cleaned. Matsu also got cabinet spares, harnesses, and CPs in extra. Having options for his buyers. Then, you had successful group buys happen via members on forums organizing them and getting JP distribution contacts. Also Ken at TheGameRoom and a few others were regularly importing them as well.

We did not have the hobby increase as much as it has 2013+.

Now it is 2019:

The hobby has become ever so demanding and new blood injected into it. Not only on cabs, but also pcbs.

In Japan. CRT cabinets are dying on location, parts have dried up (That NAC is now 24yrs old). Cabinets of lesser quality or broken are being sacked or sold off. What is deemed "classics" are in smaller sections. Many locations have reconfigured on more demanding genres, rhythm, crane, pachinko, specialized machines. As no one is making JAMMA compatible hardware anymore. In the JVS world, hardware is now running at 720p or higher.

Think of all this and add in redevelopment and bankruptcy. A lot of cabs literally went to the recyclers or dumped as solid waste.

And math wise. If a New Astro City was on location for all its life and your average 12hr arcade (Most centers run 10am to 11pm or Midnight). That is 17,520 hrs.
 
Im more then happy to help people. Ask Hawaii, ask DJ Jimmy, and the countless people I've been helping out for almost two decades.

I'm not going to pat myself on the back, but I'm legit doing things for free, because I love the hobby. I've repro'd a shit ton of art, shared my experiences with restores, ECT. What exactly have you done for free in this hobby? You turn a profit on this hobby, not me...so get off your fucking judgemental high horse.
Let’s be charitable here. Nobody is making a handsome profit off of imports like this, and I don’t believe for a second that @Cereth would have ever been in this game if not for the “love of the hobby” and a desire to contribute back to this community that you claim differentiates you and him.

I have heard enough from people who have dealt with him in the past to know that he is extremely generous with his time and experience, and he has even picked up the phone for me a few times... some schmo who he’s never met before asking for free advice.

Shipping a container across the Pacific, dealing with vendors, and handling money involves personal risk and lots of time and effort. I for one hope those who do it would take something off of the top for their trouble, otherwise I’m sure they won’t be able to sustain it for long.

If you don’t like the prices, explain why. Cite some links to those YAJ auctions you speak of where Astros are floating around for a few hundred bucks. Don’t just throw around a bunch of shade because he doesn’t pass some purity test you’ve designed in the form of restoration guides and forum posts.
 
If you don’t like the prices, explain why. Cite some links to those YAJ auctions you speak of where Astros are floating around for a few hundred bucks.
Asking for citations is silly, because you really don't need to look hard to find those. You can go on there yourself and do it. I bought my Aero Table for $800 on YAJ. Someone else here bought two more in that price range.

The difference is they're located all over Japan, and not conveniently sitting in a warehouse. Kinda like buying cabs off of eBay instead of from KC or Cereth or whomever.
 
I just want to chime in and say glad to see your moving forward geekman. I remember your thread a while back when you said you were working some stuff out to offer east coast some cabs.

I'm gonna hold off on buying cause I reached out to Yuki on Facebook long before her post on here. And she's only 30 min away from me. But if things change you will def be hearing from me about two cabs. Again dude thanks and good luck with the adventure.
 
If you don’t like the prices, explain why. Cite some links to those YAJ auctions you speak of where Astros are floating around for a few hundred bucks.
Asking for citations is silly, because you really don't need to look hard to find those. You can go on there yourself and do it. I bought my Aero Table for $800 on YAJ. Someone else here bought two more in that price range.
The difference is they're located all over Japan, and not conveniently sitting in a warehouse. Kinda like buying cabs off of eBay instead of from KC or Cereth or whomever.
How much did it cost you to move that Aero Table across the pond after you purchased it? Just trying to get a frame of reference here so we’re not comparing apples and oranges...
 
How much did it cost you to move that Aero Table across the pond after you purchased it? Just trying to get a frame of reference here so we’re not comparing apples and oranges...
A ton, and that's part of my point. These cabs /are/ cheap on YAJ. That's a fact. But they're not being bought off of YAJ.

A fairly good comparison is like buying a video game off of an eBay auction vs at your local game store that's likely priced it sky-high to cover their brick and mortar costs.
 
I didn't say anything about his Astro price, but since you asked here is an Astro for $450 ish. It's gonna cost you $1600 to bring that over yourself, and this wasn't my point. These are auction prices, and ops sell them for cheaper then that. And when you're buying 30-40 off them.on a container, that offsets the shipping.

I also explained why I do t agree with the prices of the Aero. I can buy a beat to piss rusty Aero for $250-300 out of Vegas, by a shitty Virtua Fighter with a nice monitor for $300 and have the cab sandblasted and painted for $300. Guess what I have? A pretty much brand new cab. Add in the panel for another $50-60. I'm still under this $1055 price and I guarantee these cabs won't hold a candle to it. I mean fuck, if you want to go nuts let's put a WH K7000 in it and now I'm substantially under the asking of of these cabinets. A clean, playable Aero is still not worth more then $700. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Resellers are not in this for the "love of the hobby" or to "help the community". This isnt easy. It's time consuming. That's fine, make money, but don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me your my bro or that your only making $50 a cab. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
 
I want to thank everyone that has been supportive and helpful to me.

I am working as hard as I can to make sure everything is correct.

That also means going back and being more clear about some areas of concerns some of you have placed. I am working to get this done for you guys.

I want everyone to know that this is not something I have taken lightly and it is not something that I think is some kind of joke. This is also not a half assed attempt at doing a group buy with some shade. This is real life and I have a HUGE amount free time taken, effort, money, and risks involved with this, including putting my entire LLC on the line for this. It is not something I am taking lightly. This is a huge undertaking and it is being treated as such.

So please be patient with me and I will address things accordingly.


For those of you that have given me requests on more details for machines, I am working to get you your information and descriptions as well.


Thank you for understanding.
 
Folks...enough.

Enough with the attacking and the hostility.

If you'd like to ask questions, ask them with some courtesy. If you don't like the prices, don't buy. DO NOT drag every fish and chip on your shoulders into someone else's thread to be dumped like a cart full of cow poop.

The motto of this forum is "If you want drama, go to the NG forums!"....NOT..."Hey guy's, lets trash the crap out of this place too, so no one has a decent place to call home."

Between the "sale going south" threads, and everyone dumping on the importer threads, this has gotten out of hand. Buying and selling here is a privilege, not a right. I know that @Darksoft and @Mitsurugi-w don't want to ban users from the sales threads...but if the toxicity does not stop, they won't have much choice in the end.

If you need to vent about someone, do it in the feedback threads, where its designated. If DS and Mitsu need to intervene on a buyer/seller, that's their decision.

Please put an end to the garbage now, like adults, before you make someone step in and do it for you.
 
Between the "sale going south" threads
At least those have been in the feedback section where they belong for the most part?

Yeah, there's lots out of line here, but there's also a lot that isn't being addressed and looks odd and should probably be clarified. It probably would've been clarified by now if not for all the garbage :/
 
I think it would go a long way if you told us more about yourself? The details are sparse and you say you can do where many others have failed. I think thats where the skepticism lies, at least for me. Trust me if i didnt just buy a chewlix and a cab from Careth id be seriously considering this as its a buy within 5 hours from me (Florida).

I for one have not heard of grdzero LLC. Please tell me more about yourself. For those who are too lazy to right click and search he is indeed registered in SC. LLC protects the business owner and its personal assets from liability. Only the assets attributed to the LLC are liable (if any assets exist). (And momma said i shoulda become an engineer)

LLC does exist as of March of this year.

https://businessfilings.sc.gov/BusinessFiling/Entity/Profile/26297430-8fa3-4159-99f5-cb91f92ec5f1

He does have a nice website that makes me very hungry. Don't worry no contact info is there either

https://gndzero.net/index.php/repair/

PS Jersey Mikes is straight trash, why anyone would order from them in the first place is beyond me. Sub Subway tier "sandwich"
 
You can add me to the list. I'm interested in picking up two Astro Cities and two New Net Cities.

If the chassis are original and I can see some photos of what I'm buying, I'm willing to take a gamble with these prices.

I've spoken to @GeekMan1222 and @Cereth privately enough to be satisfied that this distributor is 1) real 2) not Yaton, and 3) has some standards of quality.

I'm also willing to gamble a little bit of money if it has the potential to get another avenue for imports off the ground.
 
Just wanted to chime in and say thank you @ReplicaX for the post. I’ve been thinking of opening a forum post discussing how the Japanese arcade industry has been doing from the inside, I think you’ve already summed up a lot there. I’m still really fresh at all this so I only have so much insight to give.

Just to give an idea, it costs me sometimes between ¥15,000-¥30,000 to bid on machines from YaJ and get them shipped/stored for transport on a container. It makes it a bit selective what is worth bidding for on YaJ. You also can’t really use it as a definitive price, only a guide. There will be good deals and bad deals.

I am a business. I would not remotely be able to put the time I do into communication, planning, all the arrangements if I did not dedicate myself to it as a business, and I would not be able to survive if I was making something like $50 a cab. There’s so few for me to pick from in an even base acceptable state that I would go out of business in a year if I was taking close to that as a cut, much less the liability from unseen costs going over the profit margin. Other attempts have suffered in the past, and last thing anyone needs is more costs after settling on a price. I am sustained more by my sales of other types of cabinets, and that makes it possible to still import candies at a not nickel-and-dime rate.

Finally in terms of price, yes anyone can go buy a cheap cab, put some money in and restore it to whatever state they want, but that is time, effort, research, and work. Not everyone wants that. You pay a restaurant to prepare a meal for you, even though the meal costs twice the cost of ingredients, you can’t expect anyone to dump a working checked out cab in your lap for free. What it’ll boil down to for this sale is if cabinet status meets people’s expectations for the price. If it doesn’t, this won’t go anywhere. If it does, cool. Let’s just take stock of the good info people have put forward here and consider it all when more information is available about the cabs and pricing
 
There is a lot of good information here and a lot of room for a well-mannered polite discussion without personal attacks. Cabinets are old and it's impossible for them to look brand new. On the other hand, it should be stated in which state they are and not assume that the user will find out and know.

We'll read the whole thread again and moderate as needed, to make sure that the message remains if it has useful information and the bad/cursing goes out.

@Mitsurugi-w
 
Ill sum this up nicely, and try not to be too much of an asshole.

- The cabinets are overpriced. I don't care how you slice it.
- This is a group buy. You're going to use the profits from this group buy to fund a second container and.let the "hobby do the heavy lifting". This has been attempted before and failed miserably by several "importers" and you know this.
- There is no guarantee that your going to get a nice cabinet. As much as the resellers here will give you pictures of the cabs, tubes, guys packing the machines, at the end of the day there is no assurance that cab is going on a container. I know this isn't Welink this time @Cereth but the old bait and switch is real.

Also, since we're putting it all on the table I would like to apologize to @kcarcadegame. I was told by a user here that KC was getting his machines from China. Next time I will do more research into these matters then trusting a "long time, good standings" member.
 
I’ll be fair about one thing too, I’ve been wrong about the China thing before. He does get some of these from Japan, I just didn’t realize there was anywhere with such a large stock left. A lot of what he gets are still bulk dredges of cabs but regardless, Japanese stock. I spoke a bit out of line there with the knowledge I had at the time, and made incorrect assumptions. Regardless of the source though, those prices in bulk won’t buy tested cabs. We’ll see if we can address price concerns. If it doesn’t line up based on the purchase price, in short there just won’t be cabs for sale. I think that’s all there really is to it. If anyone else wants to try a group order or to do containers they’re welcome, but either gotta have the $ on hand or be ready to spend the time for planning, ‘cause options are really limited for getting a bunch of any of this over. Not gonna say this means you absolutely gotta support this container or anything, but the alternative is nobody trying to do any better than what we’ve got coming in already.

Oh one thing I’m trying to make sure gets done is tagging each cab in photos so that we do know which cabs are which and can be allocated correctly. My cabs come numbered so I can tell people they’re getting #3 out of the batch, etc. That should help tell who’s getting exactly what. That’s what I’m hoping the distro can promise for us, they have shown themselves worth my trust
 
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