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Tyson1911

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Hi everyone, I recently purchased an F3 with the Puzzle Bobble and would like to convert it to Kaiser Knuckle. the problem is that I do not know which are the locations of the eeprom inside the PCB I can not find information about it, someone can help me. thank you


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I have a Kaiser Knuckle here that was converted to Puzzle Bobble. Fortunately most of the mask roms are still in place and I want to restore it to Kaiser Knuckle.
Am in the process of mapping the mame rom names to the location on the rom board.

sprites_hi
IC1 - d84-21.rom
IC2 - d84-11.rom
IC3 - d84-8.rom
IC4 - d84-5.rom

sprites
IC5 - d84-20.rom
IC6 - d84-10.rom
IC7 - d84-7.rom
IC8 - d84-4.rom
IC9 - d84-19.rom
IC10 - d84-9.rom
IC11 - d84-6.rom
IC12 - d84-3.rom

maincpu
IC17 - d84-22.17
IC18 - d84-23.18
IC19 - d84-24.19
IC20 - d84-25.20

audiocpu
IC32 - d84-26.32
IC33 - d84-27.33

ensoniq (educated guess)
IC38 - d84-01.rom
IC39 - d84-02.rom
IC41 - d84-15.rom

tilemap_hi (educated guess)
IC42 - d84-18.rom
IC43 - d84-14.rom

tilemap (educated guess)
IC44 - d84-17.rom
IC45 - d84-13.rom
IC46 - d84-16.rom
IC47 - d84-12.rom
 
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Tyson1911 said:
I was reading the CPP many times and I can't find relevant information about the address of the roms
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start by looking the puzzle bobble layout, the size and position of those roms will will inform the location of the roms for your target conversion. looking at the driver just now myself this should tell you where 80% of the ROMs so should go and the rest can be intuited from there.

for instance for main_cpu roms:
e29-12.rom -> d84-25.20
e29-11.rom -> d84-24.19
e29-10.rom -> d84-23.18
e29-16.rom- > d84-29.17

you'll want to pay attention to the rom size, because once you get to say sprite ROMs the KN roms are twice the size and there are twice as many of them.
start with main_cpu, audio_cpu, and ensoniq because they mapp nicely then, move on to the sprintes and tiles.

Before you do any sort of burning or desoldering though make sure you work out the whole map, I don't know enough about F3 conversions to say if the PB ROM board could actually even support KN. (PB ROM board should work, thanks nnap)
 
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Hello everyone after a long time without responding to this thread, I tried to do the conversion without any success, it always gives me the ROM ERROR image, I am using 29F1615 duplicating files in 1mb files and quadrupling in 512kb files, even so it gives me the ROM ERROR screen, I still think that I could have done something wrong in the process so that I could not start the game
 

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sound cpu rom / main cpu rom / PLD wrong (D77-15)
PB is D77-14
 
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the PLD, even if it is not D77-15, should not be wrong since the game originally came with a 4mb rom and not a 2mb one, so it should work fine unless the D77-15 has a different configuration, unfortunately I don't have that file and I can't find it anywhere
 
You get a "Rom Error" because your program roms (22-25) doesn't pass the checksum test. The other roms are not checked so they can be ignored at the moment. So start with verifying your program roms. Check that they was properly burned with the correct algorithm and make sure that their SHA/CRC checksums matches the ones in the Mame driver.
 
Pythagoras said:
That's good. Was it your "D77-14" that caused the problem?
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Exactly, it was the PAL, I realized that the fact of having a 4mb rom does not mean that the information is 512kb, the information could have been duplicated in binary form, but it could really have been 256kb originally (it's just a guess). so I changed the PAL D77-14 for a D77-15, only one part was fixed, which was to start the program, but later I had audio problems, I only heard some sounds, I got an original motherboard, I realized that I used in the IC37 sound data a D77-16 and I had a D77-11 on so (Thanks to Astro X for providing me with the necessary JED's) I changed that PAL and with that I was able to solve the sound problem and it was totally working.
 

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Does the high score table work on real hardware? In Mame only the text "Best Players" are visible without any positions, initials or scores...
 
Hi, just rescued a Kaiser Knuckle inside a Puzzle Bobble 2 cartridge, in very bad shape. Trasferred all the alive maskroms and replaced others to a new donor cartridge. The D84-15 ENSONIQ mask is in IC40, not IC41 like it is said here.

I have a sound problem. When leaving the intro, the music plays but whem Kazuya jumps and the camera looks up, the music mute. Also when playing, the music is very loud and no background FX, or background FX are played and no music.

The donor cartridge has D77-15 flashed for 27c4001 CPU eproms and D77-11 has been replaced for the D77-16 which went inside the rusted cartridge. Asked @Astro X for his dump for testing if this PLD was bad, and not the case.

Is there something special on Kaiser Knuckle cartridge that must be done and was undone when it was converted to Puzzle Bobble 2? I'm using 2.1O version. Tried in another cartridge PCB and between 2 Taito F3 motherboards, the same issue.
 

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If someone has a photo of an original Kaiser Knuckle board, please put it for assuring I am putting the ENSONIQ roms correctly. I'm starting to thinking this game has something more inside the PCB. It intrigues me Puzzle Bobble 3 also has 3 masks roms on ENSONIQ section, but uses D77-11 PLD.
 
Mistery solved. This issue is ENSONIQ voltage related. It seems this game is highly sensitive to the voltage pot and directly linked to ENSONIQ. I have checked my boards and the perfect combination of +5V on the jamma edge (4'95V game powered on), is that position of the pot. With that combination, the voltage of the Taito F3 ENSONIQ chip is perfect (+3V, +3V and +4V on the 3 pins of the pot).

Increasing the voltage of the power supply (not the pot), causes the game mute randomly at the beggining (intro, coin chute or gameplay).
 

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Tyson1911 said:
Exactly, it was the PAL, I realized that the fact of having a 4mb rom does not mean that the information is 512kb, the information could have been duplicated in binary form, but it could really have been 256kb originally (it's just a guess). so I changed the PAL D77-14 for a D77-15, only one part was fixed, which was to start the program, but later I had audio problems, I only heard some sounds, I got an original motherboard, I realized that I used in the IC37 sound data a D77-16 and I had a D77-11 on so (Thanks to Astro X for providing me with the necessary JED's) I changed that PAL and with that I was able to solve the sound problem and it was totally working.
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Hello.

I have a audio problems, like you.
Can I get correct JED files on IC37?
 
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