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MegaShock-76
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What type of SG are you looking for?
https://www.axunworks.com/product-p125502.html
^ For a new user, this is the best one you can buy in my opinion.
I've owned everything from late 80s Japanese all-in-one control boxes through the latest version of HAS, and I believe this model to have the best balance of convenience, practicality, and quality. Having the power supply built-in is simpler to use, looks better, and is safer if you have curious kids or pets. Quite honestly, the more advanced features of HAS is something only an advanced user will have the need to take advantage of. For a beginner just trying to play some CPS2 on a PVM or into a OSSC/RetroTink, this is your best bet with the least amount of hassle. Just plug the cables in where they go and play.
My ONLY grip about this particular supergun is that the voltage adjustment is on the bottom of the backside of the unit and can be a pain to get to and adjust depending on your particular room setup. Most likely not a problem if you aren't swapping games multiple times a week or living in a tin-can apartment like me. I used this supergun to test 100+ customer's boards when I was doing my Japan proxy buying service, so this could be purely a Joko-only problem.
I'd recommend just getting the JAMMA only model if you are just starting out unless you are 100% sure you are going to get into JVS stuff (you'll save $80 on the unit itself and $20 on cables you don't need).
IMPORTANT: They are built to order, so you'll have to wait a few months to receive your order. I waited 10 weeks in 2020, but some people had to wait up to a year at the height of the pandemic. A lot of people were talking crap without consideration of what was going on in China at the time; people were literally being locked inside their apartment buildings for months. As far as I know though, everyone received their orders in the end. As of the end of 2023 the backlog was completed and orders now take around three months again.
^ For a new user, this is the best one you can buy in my opinion.
I've owned everything from late 80s Japanese all-in-one control boxes through the latest version of HAS, and I believe this model to have the best balance of convenience, practicality, and quality. Having the power supply built-in is simpler to use, looks better, and is safer if you have curious kids or pets. Quite honestly, the more advanced features of HAS is something only an advanced user will have the need to take advantage of. For a beginner just trying to play some CPS2 on a PVM or into a OSSC/RetroTink, this is your best bet with the least amount of hassle. Just plug the cables in where they go and play.
My ONLY grip about this particular supergun is that the voltage adjustment is on the bottom of the backside of the unit and can be a pain to get to and adjust depending on your particular room setup. Most likely not a problem if you aren't swapping games multiple times a week or living in a tin-can apartment like me. I used this supergun to test 100+ customer's boards when I was doing my Japan proxy buying service, so this could be purely a Joko-only problem.
I'd recommend just getting the JAMMA only model if you are just starting out unless you are 100% sure you are going to get into JVS stuff (you'll save $80 on the unit itself and $20 on cables you don't need).
IMPORTANT: They are built to order, so you'll have to wait a few months to receive your order. I waited 10 weeks in 2020, but some people had to wait up to a year at the height of the pandemic. A lot of people were talking crap without consideration of what was going on in China at the time; people were literally being locked inside their apartment buildings for months. As far as I know though, everyone received their orders in the end. As of the end of 2023 the backlog was completed and orders now take around three months again.
XtraSmiley
Legendary
No way, for a new user the HAS is the one to buy. It will be available soon, likely in April. I'd wait if I were you. The AXUN is also cool, but will likely take months to actually arrive, so again, the HAS is the one to get.
I've very much stay away from anything the beharbros.com sell as they have been shown to have poor construction.
I've very much stay away from anything the beharbros.com sell as they have been shown to have poor construction.
MegaShock-76
Enthusiast
Lots of choices now a days.
astro_zombie138
Champion
I had minor issues with my beharbros, HAS was great although the output options for non vga is kind of annoying. Best super gun for new user imo is the minigun supergun, damn thing just works and is super easy to use. @jcmorrisii makes them on here and the quality is top notch especially paired with his meanwell psu cover.
raidenmaniac1
Enthusiast
Take a look at Sigma Superguns. There are several versions; all in one "Raijin" (Joystick panel + JAMMA interface + AVout) and my Favorite AV7000 (JAMMA + AVout) w/ separate 9000TB controller. The cable linking AV7000 to 9000TB is Din13. Later on, you can build custom controllers once you figure out Din13 pinout (easy) to accommodate Spinner and Rotary games. That way, you don't have to take the all unit apart if you were to buy the all-in one version. All Sigma are built like tanks, that is the best SG for newbies in my humble opinion.
HAS is great, but it's very important to remember that you have to setup the power supply yourself. For a new user this could be complicated. Sure, for you and me this is something as simple as can be, but maybe not for them. I own two HAS and love them, but for somebody brand new to the hobby, I believe having everything ready to go all in one box is easier.
Sigma are very good as well; my only gripe is the smaller harness input rather than standard JAMMA size. Not a huge problem, but it means if you can't make your own then you have to hunt one down. I really like that Sigma boxes can do composite and S-Video in addition to RGB meaning any old CRT will do. The DIN13 plugs are a little annoying, but it's super easy to make adapters using MIDI DIN13 cables and DB15 breakouts. Of course, we're starting to get into non-beginner friendly territory here with that, so if going the Sigma route it's probably best to get something like the Raijin with controls built in or an AV series box with matching controllers.
Example of the adapter below being used with my Sigma 1AV; I have the matching Sigma 3TB controllers too, but to use a (AV-5000 use) DB15 Mahjong controller or my DB15 equipped main stick I needed to make one.
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raidenmaniac1
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I didn't know of the Din13 to DB15 adapter; That's good to know. I made Din13 adapters for my LS30 rotary and Arkanoid spinner controllers instead.
MegaShock-76
Enthusiast
I do have an AV1 stick for my sigma AV1 SG but decided to also add some DB15's for player1 and 2 for Neo geo sticks, Saturn and Ps4 fight sticks with their proper DB15 adapters. Much cheaper then buying an AV1 stick. The AV1 is a solid options but cab get expensive. The unit, stick and harness are all sold seperately, which add up. A minigun, which I also have is a nice starter option IMO.
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Sorry about going a bit off topic here, but do you know if this DB15 mahjong controller is the only one of it's kind? I've been wanting a solution to play mahjong boards but swapping panels on my candy cabs is a lot of hassle for something I probably wouldn't do too often. If there was a DB15 controller solution that I could just connect to my supergun along with a mahjong harness in between my PCB and JAMMA, I feel like that would be the ideal solution, other than splurging for a Pana Twin MP-92... If I could even find one.
There a couple very light cosmetic variations of it from the 90s (all Sigma) but all essentially the same. This one is the MST-8 which was sold alongside the AV-5000. I believe the MST-9 features a DIN-13 cable as opposed to DB-15 so it can plug right into an AV-7000.
No offense to this, but If you can't wire a PSU, playing with arcade boards shouldn't be one of your hobbies then.
HAS all the way.
Way to gatekeep
Gatekeeping??? Uh okay...Way to gatekeep
Look at my search my history... I asked for instructions on how to wire my PSU properly so I didn't make a mistake, but it's the honest truth.
You shouldn't be afraid to wire a PSU in this hobby. Or at least learn the basics. Not every PCB you buy is going to work correctly, etc. We're playing with 40+ year old electronics here.
You did the correct thing by asking how to do something you didn't know how to do. You wanted to use a HAS and had the direct need to wire the PSU properly. However, there exists perfectly good options that already have the PSU built in and it's perfectly acceptable for somebody to choose one of these options over doing the wiring themselves. I would agree that everybody needs to learn to work on their own gear as it's only going to get older. However, saying somebody needs to be able to perform all of the basics RIGHT NOW to start off enjoying the hobby right away is silly. That's like saying you need to be able to change your own oil in order to start driving a car. Just because you did something to get your rig up and running doesn't mean somebody else should have to do the same thing.
If somebody has $600 or so to spare on an all in one supergun and a CPS2, why shouldn't they be able to play it right now in the easiest way possible? Learning to work on the gear and understanding how it all works can come with time. Maybe right now they just want to play games. My advice was simply pointing the OP in the easiest direction because they clearly wrote "I'm a newbie at this so ideally something user friendly". While I agree that HAS is probably the best quality supergun out there, it is not the end all solution for everyone. An all in one box is more user friendly than wiring up a PSU and figuring out a solution to plug it into the wall and safely turn everything on. Yes, there is somebody on this forum that sells convenient covers with the switch, plug, and fuse all ready to go, but what if he stops selling them tomorrow? The op is back to square one on doing it on their own.
If somebody has $600 or so to spare on an all in one supergun and a CPS2, why shouldn't they be able to play it right now in the easiest way possible? Learning to work on the gear and understanding how it all works can come with time. Maybe right now they just want to play games. My advice was simply pointing the OP in the easiest direction because they clearly wrote "I'm a newbie at this so ideally something user friendly". While I agree that HAS is probably the best quality supergun out there, it is not the end all solution for everyone. An all in one box is more user friendly than wiring up a PSU and figuring out a solution to plug it into the wall and safely turn everything on. Yes, there is somebody on this forum that sells convenient covers with the switch, plug, and fuse all ready to go, but what if he stops selling them tomorrow? The op is back to square one on doing it on their own.
This adapter is homemade. I took a 13-pin cable for MIDI use then cut it, stripped the wires, and plugged everything into a DB15 breakout. If you want to leave the plug on the DIN13 side completely alone you'll have to do a little bit of trial and error figuring out which wire is what when plugging them into the DB15 terminal, but it doesn't take too long to get it sorted out. All together the adapter took me about 30 minutes to make start to finish. About $15 is what I paid for the cord and breakout.
Edit: Send me a PM; I'm curious to see the adapters you made and don't want to derail the thread more than I already have
XtraSmiley
Legendary
I agree with you 100% and no, that's not gatekeeping. Come on, this is basic levels of our hobby and there are plenty of people here to help out in wiring a $20 PSU.
The other options @Joko3 mention are good advice too with a good reason for it, all in one. My point is that the lead time to get that specific SG is like months last time I check, if not double digit months.
