but why ? I'm one of these "hoarders", but I'm dont careUntil some random gets a legit , dumps it and causes the hoarders some upset.
but why ? I'm one of these "hoarders", but I'm dont careUntil some random gets a legit , dumps it and causes the hoarders some upset.
Exactly, you have access to shoutimes trunk of hoarded crap, and MAMEDEV's hoarded crap, lucky you.but why ? I'm one of these "hoarders", but I'm dont care
Sadly [some] people in every hobby with rare items get angry when the item becomes more accessible. One artist I won't name has a vinyl single pushing $500 in the used market, but is wary to repress it because people will get pissed that it might drop the value of the OG press.but why ? I'm one of these "hoarders", but I'm dont care
I dont "have access", I'm one of persons who dumped this stuff, but before that we did research and created a tool set to do that. obviously I have the dumped data.Exactly, you have access to shoutimes trunk of hoarded crap, and MAMEDEV's hoarded crap, lucky you.
if I know something was dumped, it is in safe hands, it will be public shared sooner or later - for me it's enough. I'm not obsessed to get everything in my hands right now. that's the difference between me and you.I'd of shared them by now, that's the difference between me and you.
Been there, done that, released same day.dumped this stuff, but before that we did research and created a tool set to do that.
Sarcasm good sir, it is wasted time if it's never put to good use."lucky you" - I've just wasted a lot of personal life time...
What's the difference between today and 2084? Half of us will be DEAD and nobody will care anyway.it will be public shared sooner or later - for me it's enough.
Well , it's not the romset from this board is it, you chickened out from dumping it after saying you'd do it.Wait, does this increase the value of my Akai Katana pcb now that its not in mame? #stonks
for me ? none, I'm all about pure preservation. for me it's enough to know some item was "secured". this means I dont have to snipe it by myself.What's the difference between today and 2084? Half of us will be DEAD and nobody will care anyway.
Schrodinger's EPROMfor me ? none, I'm all about pure preservation. for me it's enough to know some item was "secured". this means I dont have to snipe it by myself.
Sorry, I can't get on the outrage train for this one.
There's a commercially available arcade version of the game right now, being respectful of that and not undercutting it is perfectly reasonable on the MAME team's side.
If we're interested in arcades surviving in any form—and I personally am—then getting into pissing matches with the people trying to make it work (yes, as a business, these games have always been commercial enterprises) isn't going to further it.
If you want to start 2022 being mad I guess that's your prerogative, but I'm not interested in getting angry over things like this. I hope the Exa version is a success in a world where arcades are in more peril than any other time in their entire existence personally. I don't know Shou, and I don't really care if he's someone I'd want to be friends with or not, I'm rooting for his success because it's good for the entire hobby.
In the meantime, the actual ROMs are clearly preserved, and aren't in any actual danger of becoming extinct.
Wait, does this increase the value of my Akai Katana pcb now that its not in mame? #stonks
If arcade ops are operating a dump they are violating both IP law and MAME terms, just saying. Operating MAME at all in a commercial arcade is against the terms.
One of the reasons apocolypse quit is Vertexer, another shoutime hoard, apocalypse had the PCB with some bad ROM but again not shared and he's stuck with a brick.
Oh I know they don't care, shit I send them 0 keys, but regarding MAME it still it is against the terms and law nonetheless.There are tons of ops running Darksoft multis, Super/Ultra BIOS, net booting Naomis, the list goes on. Some of them even post on this forum. I doubt they would care much about running MAME in a commercial setting.
are not correct.Operating MAME at all in a commercial arcade is against the terms.
Good to know, been a minute since I read that all in fullbtw,
are not correct.
it is illegal to use pre-2016 MAME versions commercially, or any its derivatives like for example "mame2003-plus" from RetroArch/Libretro.
it is pretty much legal to use modern MAME versions for any commercial use (ofc it you legally obtain ROMs etc).
That's basically exactly what MetalliC said a few posts back, they effctively comply with rights holders as a courtesy / by default and I understand why. Lawyers are expensive. But this precedent is still crappy, not by fault of MAME.This most likely happened as a courtesy to Shou/EXA and to avoid any legal entanglements which would cost MAME team time and money that is better spent on development and preservation.
guys, please do not use terms if you don't know what they actually means. neither of emulators of undocumented platforms (=all arcades) was developed using clean-room reverse engineering. all of them are "not clean"Clean-room revsere engineering (including emulation)