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xtrasmiley said:
I'd pay $500-600 no sweat for a nice one right now if you have a second...
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I think we've established that if there is an overpriced board out there and someone buys it; that someone is you. :P

Joking aside I think you're missing the point. Just because someone is dumb enough to pay a high price for a PCB one time (like $1000 for a Punisher) doesn't make that the market price, similarly just because someone gets a good deal (like $350 for a Punisher) doesn't make that the market price either. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What is is the average price they sold for over the last 6 months? that's the real "fair market value".

With that said, if you list a PCB for sale and people who are actively looking for that game don't buy it right away, then it's above fair market value, because those people are the ones who know what recent sale prices are and are likely to be buy it for a price at or below what they've seen other recent sales complete at.

I can tell you that CPS1.5 games have been on my radar for a bit and they're selling on YAJ for around $450 for non-working and 600-900 for working depending on the game and the included art, this based on 20-30 listings I've seen over the past few months. But I've also found that SHMUPs and Beat-Em Ups tend to sell for much higher prices on YAJ than they do on USA eBay, which we also know typically has higher sales prices than KLOV.

I think the only one I've seen actually sell for over 1000 was a C&D with full arts and an original box.
 
That all is true, but why don’t you take a peek at the auction prices for the last 12 months and point me to ANY Punisher that sold for under $600, US or Japan.

I think because members here tend to sell lower, people feel that’s market price. It’s not, it’s perhaps a community, friendly price.

But again, put your game where your mouth is, show me some cheap Punisher games and I’ll send the PayPal today!
 
xtrasmiley said:
It's an expensive game now, pure and simple. I'd pay $500-600 no sweat for a nice one right now if you have a second
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It's that attitude that is the problem.
Look as you said 99% of sellers are just going to charge the max they think they can get.
Can't fault them for that I guess (even tho I think they are greedy fucks).

It's the person that buys the game for the inflated price, he continues to drive the market higher and higher.
He is the reason why we find ourselves in this situation today.

I wouldn't pay more than 400$ for a CPS1.5 PERIOD (I don't care which game it was).
If that means I'll never own another... So be it... I'll get what I want, when I want it, for what I want to pay, it will be 100% my way, or it will be NO WAY.

Take a stand and tell the eBay vampires to go screw.
These are just games, and this is supposed to be about having fun.
 
twistedsymphony said:
xtrasmiley said:
point me to ANY Punisher that sold for under $600, US or Japan.
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$350: SOLD: Punisher
$400: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=430538&highlight=punisher
$420: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=440232&highlight=punisher

I mean if you want to get technical the non-working one on facebook sold for under $600 too :P
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It's convenient you cut out the part where I said auction in my quote.

Like I stated several times already, these forums do give "deals" to friends and are not indicative of what the going rate is. I think YAJ has had about 7-8 for sale and all have been over $700 and I have no idea about eBay, I think it's probably the same.

Obviously you want to be "right" on this issue and feel that it is a $400 game. I cannot seem to convince you and prove that it is not, so sure, it's a $400 game. Please let me know when you are ready to send me one for $400 and I'll pay promptly.
 
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jassin000 said:
xtrasmiley said:
It's an expensive game now, pure and simple. I'd pay $500-600 no sweat for a nice one right now if you have a second
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It's that attitude that is the problem.Look as you said 99% of sellers are just going to charge the max they think they can get.
Can't fault them for that I guess (even tho I think they are greedy fucks).

It's the person that buys the game for the inflated price, he continues to drive the market higher and higher.
He is the reason why we find ourselves in this situation today.

I wouldn't pay more than 400$ for a CPS1.5 PERIOD (I don't care which game it was).
If that means I'll never own another... So be it... I'll get what I want, when I want it, for what I want to pay, it will be 100% my way, or it will be NO WAY.

Take a stand and tell the eBay vampires to go screw.
These are just games, and this is supposed to be about having fun.
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Well I guess you wouldn't pay $400 and you sold yours for $350, but I would argue you're an outlier. I'm not saying you are wrong or stupid or anything, I'm saying you post something on an auction site, it gets bid up to an amount that is generally what the going rate for something is. On a forum that not many people read (yes us regulars, but not the world wide eyes eBay or YAJ gets) and you sell to a friend for a fair rate, that's GREAT (especially for your friend), but NOT going rate.

Maybe it would be clearer if we said A-P friend rate vs auction rate? Either way, that guys broken Punisher listed for $500 sold in a few hours (maybe less). To me, there is strong enough demand that if he would have fixed it, a higher price he would have gotten it.
 
The non-buddy price was going to be set at 400$, but yea most dudes are looking to get all they can get (so I buy the outlier argument).
I didn't want it to goto a flipper, I wanted it to goto a fellow gamer.
Sure I needed the money at the time or I wouldn't have been selling at all, but milking folks and/or supporting eBay isn't cool to me.
 
eBay $1000: https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Punish...m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

eBay $1000: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Capcom-THE...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Those are the first two that popped up when I did a quick search. Says they took a Best Offer price, of ONLY $900 and $700!

Yeah, so even with eBay fees, a tad more than $350.

I think the YAJ sales are probably worse. I think I saw some non-working ones in the $700 range...

But sure, it's a $350-400 game. Again, whoever really thinks that, send them my way and I'll even give you a 20% finders fee...
 
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jassin000 said:
The non-buddy price was going to be set at 400$, but yea most dudes are looking to get all they can get (so I buy the outlier argument).
I didn't want it to goto a flipper, I wanted it to goto a fellow gamer.
Sure I needed the money at the time or I wouldn't have been selling at all, but milking folks and/or supporting eBay isn't cool to me.
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And that my friend is why if I ever have a game you need, I'm sending it your way.

Because you're clearly a gamer at heart!
 
xtrasmiley said:
two that popped up when I did a quick search. Says they took a Best Offer price, of ONLY $1000!
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No, they don't. Ebay doesn't show you what the offer price was on a best offer listing. $1000 was the buy it now price before an offer was submitted. So we have no idea what they actually sold for, only that it was LESS THAN $1000.

there are no other completed eBay auctions, so all we know is that 2 were sold on eBay for an unknown price.
 
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twistedsymphony said:
xtrasmiley said:
two that popped up when I did a quick search. Says they took a Best Offer price, of ONLY $1000!
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No, they don't. Ebay doesn't show you what the offer price was on a best offer listing. $1000 was the buy it now price before an offer was submitted. So we have no idea what they actually sold for, only that it was LESS THAN $1000.
there are no other completed eBay auctions, so all we know is that 2 were sold on eBay for an unknown price.
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I should stop replying to you b/c you clearly are just trolling this, but I saw sold for on the main page marked at $1k, but you're right, you have to dig for an offer that was lower, the seller took $900 for one and $700 for the other.

To see the final prices, put the auction number in the following page. I have no idea why eBay shows the listing price as sold, but probably some marketing method to drive up prices.

http://www.watchcount.com/#serp

@twistedsymphony are you ready to send me some $400 Punisher boards yet? :P
 
xtrasmiley said:
To see the final prices, put the auction number in the following page. I have no idea why eBay shows the listing price as sold, but probably some marketing method to drive up prices.

watchcount.com/#serp
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nice link, I didn't think there was any way to see best offer prices, so that's useful!

xtrasmiley said:
I should stop replying to you b/c you clearly are just trolling this
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I'm not trolling, honestly. I'm arguing against your initial claim of:
xtrasmiley said:
Punishers now going for 900-1k
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The thing is in every one of these value threads you're regularly quoting prices either at the very top of the value range or beyond what most boards are ACTUALLY selling for. It's not good, it gives people selling boards a false sense of what they're worth, and it encourages buyers to pay more than they actually should.

Based all of the listings that have been posted in this thread the range is ACTUALLY
$400-$900 (I'm excluding Jassin's "Friend Deal")

Notice 900 is the the top of the range, not the bottom of the range as you initially claimed.

That puts the median price at about $650 (and if we're averaging it's even lower) but that seems right doesn't it? A nice mint example might fetch closer to $900 while a broken or incomplete example might fetch closer to $400.

That's the REAL range based on REAL sale prices... not based inflated "list" prices that things haven't actually sold at.

It's important that when we comment on valuation threads we provide real examples of listings where these things have actually sold, that's how houses are valued, that's how classic cars are valued, trading cards, figurines, etc.

I know I give you a hard time about the prices you quote, but I'll tell you what, if you include links to listings instead, you wont hear a peep out of me in response ;)
 
twistedsymphony said:
I know I give you a hard time about the prices you quote, but I'll tell you what, if you include links to listings instead, you wont hear a peep out of me in response ;)
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No worries about hard times on prices, I just believe you are wrong about it.

If the game Punisher in case/working is $400, send them my way, I'll buy as many as you can send.

If the game Punisher in case/working is $600, send them my way, I'll buy it.

If the game Punisher in case/working is $700+, list them on eBay because that is the current selling price, regardless of what you find on A-P and I'm waiting for you to list any, ANY auction in the last year where they have sold for less and to quote me correctly when you do.

If the game Punisher in case/working is $900+, yes you can still get that, you just need to list on YAJ or maybe get lucky on eBay.

In your mind the going rate is $650, again, send it my way, I'll buy it!

When you say: "It's important that when we comment on valuation threads we provide real examples of listings where these things have actually sold, that's how houses are valued, that's how classic cars are valued, trading cards, figurines, etc."

I agree, I showed you two listings at $700 then at $900, quick sales where the seller didn't even let the auction end.

Bottom line, if someone wants to sell a Punisher, you would tell them, they go for $400 based on your links to A-P. I would say, it's a $700-1000+ game if you list on eBay or YAJ.

Yes they COULD sell here for $400 and quick too! OR, they could sell for more than double that and pay some auction fees. As a buyer I'm sure you prefer they sell here if, especially if you're buying, but if it was your friend and he/she needed the money, would you really let them leave money on the table like that?
 
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twistedsymphony said:
The thing is in every one of these value threads you're regularly quoting prices either at the very top of the value range or beyond what most boards are ACTUALLY selling for. It's not good, it gives people selling boards a false sense of what they're worth, and it encourages buyers to pay more than they actually should.
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And this is the crux of the matter. If I tell someone a game is XXX based on the last few sales (not an average over a year, literally the last few sales), they list for XXX. If the last few sales were wrong and the price is too high, then no one would buy it, so they either don't sell it or they lower the price.

What you do to them is say, it's only worth half of what it's been selling for, they list it, it sells in minutes and the buyer is super happy.

Who got screwed based on how I value it and who got screwed on how you do it?

When someone asks about the value of something, are you trying to help the seller or the buyer? I'm literally posting what I've seen the last couple sell for. Yes there are fees, shipping, the condition to consider, etc etc. But I'm not going around telling people Punisher is a $400 game when the last two to sell have been $700 and $900 and the seller didn't even let the auction end.

EDIT: And I do realize where you guys are coming from, you don't want to see game prices inflated, but here is where I am coming from.

I consider you guys friends, crazy I know because @twistedsymphony are always picking on me :P but if a friend posts on here, hey, I want to sell this, what can I get for it? I want to make sure my friend, YOU, get the most you can for your game. If every Punisher on eBay has sold for $$$, I'm going to tell you $$$. That way, when you sell, say you NEED the money, you know you CAN get $$$. But lets say, you have a kind heart like @jassin000 and even though you COULD get $$$, you want to give it to your friend for only $$, you now have that option.

Would this drive up prices, maybe, but I don't care about that, I'm more concerned with my fellow A-P on here getting what they can. MOST sales I've seen on here actually do go lower, but I think it's because people choose to sell bellow market value, not because it is market value.

Finally, that's all I'm posting on the matter. In the future when I post my opinion on prices, I'll post say 3 links to what I'm saying. You can agree, disagree, or whatever, but I think it will help the person asking. They can of course, still charge a buddy rate if they want.
 
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Come on, @xtrasmiley. You can't post and talk about your links and at the same time completely ignore the ones TS gave. That doesn't make sense.

And the last two sales doesn't somehow invalidate the four or ten or fifty before it. The "going rate" isn't just the last sale or two. It's a series of sales over the past however long. And that means there can be prices that are outliers, like the guy with more money than sense who thought paying $900 was worth it, or jassin's cheap board.
 
I’m with @twistedsymphony and @rewrite on this one.

The absolute safest / proper way to find out what a board is worth is take all the data of actual sold pieces you can find from reputable sources and dividing it by the sum.

This will give a pretty fair indication of its current “worth”.

Actual sold items over a few month period. Even if they are “mates rates”, they’re still sold for that price. So include it in the items sold.

Exclude places like Tops/Sophia where you don’t know if it actually sold but the price is at premium.
 
xtrasmiley said:
In the future when I post my opinion on prices, I'll post say 3 links to what I'm saying. You can agree, disagree, or whatever, but I think it will help the person asking
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I'll do the same... As I said, if you post links then you wont hear any disagreement from me... proof is proof and a 3 links is worth more than a page of opinions.
 
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