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[XtraSmiley]

Whats with all the dislikes @RayceARoni?

Jassin explained his reasoning very well and I completely agree with him.

I dislike the dislikes.

You can have an argument with someone without a bunch of thumbs down.

Why would you want an inferior Chroma resolution and go from RGB to YPbPr back to RGB? His advice was helpful and firm.

You're right, thumbs down is harsh. I'll remove them. I apologize.Like I said, I only use RGBs and don't plan on using anything else personally. I still completely disagree with the idea that using anything other than RGB is pointless and one might ass well just use emulation or mini consoles.

Yeah, people should just game how they like. I personally use to think RGB all the way, but lately I've changed on that. First of all, some games were made for the blurring affect composite provides. Also, on a 36" Sony Wega CRT TV, at room distance, composite is not only fine, it looks pretty good. And it's easy to play light gun games.Why gate-keep anyone's enjoyment of retro gaming? RGB is not the end all be all of signal quality, as aren't people who demand CRTs or worse, PVM gatekeepers!

Enjoy it how you want, and I promise, pop in your favorite games and 20 minutes in, you won't even notice if it's RF! if you're having a good time.

You said it far better than I ever could (and how I should've in the first place)! I just want to say thank you for being you, keep up the good work!

No problem dude, welcome to A-P, don't let a few of our curmudgeons as we like to call them scare you off. He's a great guy and very helpful on topics he knows about. I can't count the number of times @jassin000 has chimed in to help a newbie answer a question about OSSC, HAS, and Mortal Kombat that he's answered like 600 other times. He's good people, but yes, a bit set in his binary ways.

That being said, the is the HAS thread, bottom line, let me help anyone who's wondering if they should buy one. YES, GOD YES.

Also, if you can't wait, wait anyway. If you CAN'T wait. I understand, stay on A-P and look at the other 3-4 very cool Super Guns here, they are all very top quality!

 

[jassin000]

@jassin000

I was hoping you could elaborate on the OSSC Compatibility on the different viewlix models since you have a bunch of them.

And I'm curious which ones your fave?

Oh, in that case...
Its not about the OSSC, its the arcade PCB you are using.

Take my Vewlix Diamond for example, the IPS Alpha LCD in it will accept syncs ranging from about 58.0Hz ~ 61.0Hz.

That covers a good amount of original arcade PCBs, but not all!
Also The Diamond refuses to accept a scale higher than 3x (4x and 5x don't display anything despite the screen being able to handle 1920x1080).

It is for this reason I've ripped the original IPS LCD out and am in the process of replacing it with a LG 32GK650F-B 32" 16:9 QHD LCD Gaming Monitor.

Why is this a better choice?

• UHD supports OSSC's full 5x @ 1600x1200 (1920x1080 is cropped at 5x)
• Freesync accepts all syncs I've tested (including MK/Midway PCBs which are notorious for not working with anything @ 54.88Hz sync)

Midway PCBs are very "wacky" when it comes to sync, not even a Sony Wega CRT will sync one (image just rolls).

Only waiting on the custom mounting bracket from @Hadouken Arcade now...

My Capcom VLX is 100% Taito stock parts, I'll never modify it beyond factory spec/parts (living with the limitations of the Taito JAMMA kit on this one).
The L-AMI is somewhere in-between the totally hacked up Diamond and the 100% stock Capcom.

CAP=JAMMA only via Taito JAMMA Kit (only mainstream PCBs supported aka CPS1/2/3/MVS/F3)
DIA=JAMMA and JVS via Taito JVS IO+Jammaifier+OSSC+Jassifier+LG monitor (supported everything I've ever tested/own)
AMI=JVS only via Taito JVS IO (I've got a Naomi and a Namco 2x6, both work great with this)

 

[opt2not]

If you're just gaming for yourself/friends/family, use whatever video output you prefer. Some people can be quick to draw lines in the sand, but at the end of the day, any kind of stance about what's better for you is all subjective.

BUT, if you're streaming and capturing your gaming sessions with the intent to having viewers watching, then RGB (or at bare minimum - Component) is the best way to go. If you're not going with the best quality video for your viewers, you're pretty much forcing them to watch lower quality video output. Which, in my subjective opinion, suuuuucks.

 

[rewrite]

Its not about the OSSC, its the arcade PCB you are using.

I mean, really it's about the monitor you're using

What model did you end up going with for the LG gaming monitor, anyway?

 

[digitron]

S-video/composite in 2020?! *rolls eyes* plz GTFO...

Hey! Watch it! S-video is just fine! $20 RGB > S-Video converter from Ali-2month-xpress works just fine on my HAS > Sony CRT!

 

[jassin000]

I mean, really it's about the monitor you're using

Right and IF that monitor will play nicely with whatever sync the arcade PCB is pushing out.
The stock Taito monitors don't really... Prob the best one is the IPS Alpha, or the one found inside the latest Diamond Black's (I don't personally own one).

I found them to be really picky in general, also strange in that they will accept interlaced signals like a TV (where as PC monitors only want progressives).
As I mentioned I'll never change out parts on the Capcom, that is my official baby.
The L-AMI is next on the chopping block to have its original monitor ripped out (after I get this Diamond finished).

BTW (I'll mention it a few other places too) if anyone wants these original stock Taito LCDs PM me and you can pick them up 100% for free.
This is only for the internal panels and PCBs, I need to keep the outer shells for the replacements.
Perfect for the guy who got a deal on a VLX with a smashed LCD, new/direct from Taito one of these screens is 1400$ (mine are used/working/free).

 

[hoagtech]

S-video/composite in 2020?! *rolls eyes* plz GTFO...

Hey! Watch it! S-video is just fine! $20 RGB > S-Video converter from Ali-2month-xpress works just fine on my HAS > Sony CRT!

Is it interlaced or can you get a progressive image?

S-video is an oddity to me ever since I got the Japan 3DO which supported 240p over S-video.


I have put in almost all my gaming time for the last month playing Gameboy on a black and white RF TV hooked up to a framemeister.

Most fun I've had in months. I'm at Wily in MM5, beat Metroid 2 again, and got through a good amount of Final Fantasy Adventure. I even got to play Pokemon Red with my 5 year old son.





Sidetracking done. HAS rules

 

[rewrite]

I have put in almost all my gaming time for the last month playing Gameboy on a black and white RF TV hooked up to a framemeister.

This is still on my to-do list. It looks stupid amounts of fun.

My local thrift store's had a black and white TV sitting there for well over a year. Once businesses open back up I'm going to snag it.

 

[digitron]

S-video/composite in 2020?! *rolls eyes* plz GTFO...

Hey! Watch it! S-video is just fine! $20 RGB > S-Video converter from Ali-2month-xpress works just fine on my HAS > Sony CRT!

Is it interlaced or can you get a progressive image?
S-video is an oddity to me ever since I got the Japan 3DO which supported 240p over S-video.


I have put in almost all my gaming time for the last month playing Gameboy on a black and white RF TV hooked up to a framemeister.

Most fun I've had in months. I'm at Wily in MM5, beat Metroid 2 again, and got through a good amount of Final Fantasy Adventure. I even got to play Pokemon Red with my 5 year old son.





Sidetracking done. HAS rules

It's only interlaced and there is no horizontal adjustment, I'm joking, I want the OSSC Pro, hah.

 

[jassin000]

I NEED that OSSC Pro man!
Its going to be so so SO HOT.

I even hear rumors it could support Mister like FPGA simulation directly?
WOW, that is going to be huge if true!

 

[digitron]

I NEED that OSSC Pro man!
Its going to be so so SO HOT.

I even hear rumors it could support Mister like FPGA simulation directly?
WOW, that is going to be huge if true!

Hahaha, you definitely don't need it for the MiSTer but you're funny.

Jokes aside, Marqs made this which is awesome but the ISL51002 itself is ~$52 so might not be worth it..

 

[jassin000]

you definitely don't need it for the MiSTer

NEED no... But I'm the kind of guy who would never purchase a Mister.
That being said I might still like to casually play around with one (as I do indulge in emulation from time to time).

If my OSSC supported FPGA simulation, I'd have no reason not to give it a try.
Seems possible, we are going to need some power FPGA onboard to pull off some of the real time effects planned (screen rotation in software).

 

[digitron]

you definitely don't need it for the MiSTer

NEED no... But I'm the kind of guy who would never purchase a Mister.That being said I might still like to casually play around with one (as I do indulge in emulation from time to time).

If my OSSC supported FPGA simulation, I'd have no reason not to give it a try.
Seems possible, we are going to need some power FPGA onboard to pull off some of the real time effects planned (screen rotation in software).

Understood good sir. It's great for playing the old consoles, for the price I think you would actually enjoy it.

 

[And One]

I like S-video/ composite for my arcade pcbs also! I guess it's just that old school vibe it gives me . I have an ossc but I prefer my games looking just like they did back in the day. Just my preference.

 

[jassin000]

I prefer my games looking just like they did back in the day

News Radio (199
Bill: "It's like my father used to say, when I was a child I thought as a ... as a child, but when I became a man I took that child out back and had him shot."

 

[hoagtech]

I prefer my games looking just like they did back in the day

News Radio (199Bill: "It's like my father used to say, when I was a child I thought as a ... as a child, but when I became a man I took that child out back and had him shot."

I’m still not over it.

1+1 = -Fun

He’s the Cobain of comedy and what a tragedy..

 

[mugen_ketsueki]

Its not about the OSSC, its the arcade PCB you are using.

I mean, really it's about the monitor you're using
What model did you end up going with for the LG gaming monitor, anyway?

Think he got this one: LG 32GK650F-B 32" QHD Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate and Radeon FreeSync Technology https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FLGR2PN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bALZEb2THZG16

 

[darhgo]

@jassin000

I was hoping you could elaborate on the OSSC Compatibility on the different viewlix models since you have a bunch of them.

And I'm curious which ones your fave?

Oh, in that case...Its not about the OSSC, its the arcade PCB you are using.

Take my Vewlix Diamond for example, the IPS Alpha LCD in it will accept syncs ranging from about 58.0Hz ~ 61.0Hz.

That covers a good amount of original arcade PCBs, but not all!
Also The Diamond refuses to accept a scale higher than 3x (4x and 5x don't display anything despite the screen being able to handle 1920x1080).

It is for this reason I've ripped the original IPS LCD out and am in the process of replacing it with a LG 32GK650F-B 32" 16:9 QHD LCD Gaming Monitor.

Why is this a better choice?

• UHD supports OSSC's full 5x @ 1600x1200 (1920x1080 is cropped at 5x)
• Freesync accepts all syncs I've tested (including MK/Midway PCBs which are notorious for not working with anything @ 54.88Hz sync)

Midway PCBs are very "wacky" when it comes to sync, not even a Sony Wega CRT will sync one (image just rolls).

Only waiting on the custom mounting bracket from @Hadouken Arcade now...

My Capcom VLX is 100% Taito stock parts, I'll never modify it beyond factory spec/parts (living with the limitations of the Taito JAMMA kit on this one).
The L-AMI is somewhere in-between the totally hacked up Diamond and the 100% stock Capcom.

CAP=JAMMA only via Taito JAMMA Kit (only mainstream PCBs supported aka CPS1/2/3/MVS/F3)
DIA=JAMMA and JVS via Taito JVS IO+Jammaifier+OSSC+Jassifier+LG monitor (supported everything I've ever tested/own)
AMI=JVS only via Taito JVS IO (I've got a Naomi and a Namco 2x6, both work great with this)

amazing info. have you found any solution for the screen tearing/stutter on Data East PCBs via the OSSC? Is that just monitor dependent? It's 54.91hz on my display (Captain America and the Avengers, Robocop, Sly Spy, Karnov, etc.)

 

[jassin000]

He’s the Cobain of comedy and what a tragedy..

More than a little off topic here, but Cobain was a suicide and Hartman was murdered by his wife.

So yea, they both left us too soon...
However one was a junkie that couldn't handle the pressures of life/fame/drugs and one was shot dead in his own home by someone he loved.

have you found any solution for the screen tearing/stutter on Data East PCBs via the OSSC? Is that just monitor dependent?

Monitor dependent.
A nice freesync gaming display will solve any low refresh tearing.

You can't see the motion in a still picture, but the character faces that scroll on the sides of the insert coin screen...

With the iScan DVDO+IPS Alpha this movement was very jerky/jumpy, on the LG here its smooth as silk.

 

[hoagtech]

He’s the Cobain of comedy and what a tragedy..

More than a little off topic here, but Cobain was a suicide and Hartman was murdered by his wife.
So yea, they both left us too soon...
However one was a junkie that couldn't handle the pressures of life/fame/drugs and one was shot dead in his own home by someone he loved.

have you found any solution for the screen tearing/stutter on Data East PCBs via the OSSC? Is that just monitor dependent?

Monitor dependent.A nice freesync gaming display will solve any low refresh tearing.

You can't see the motion in a still picture, but the character faces that scroll on the sides of the insert coin screen...

With the iScan DVDO+IPS Alpha this movement was very jerky/jumpy, on the LG here its smooth as silk.

We are way off topic for sure.

Kurt Cobain was murdered. Cobains Dad publicly stated it. The forensic pathologist says that suicide was an “impossible scenario”

The only difference was Love had Hollywood money to afford a good lawyer.

Back on topic. I would like to use the HAS on my brothers CRT that has component inputs. What’s the best way to do that?

It would be nice if I can adapt off the HAS and not have bring multiple plugs and an OSSC