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What do I do with the chips from my B board & other pesky questions ...

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Saying most people would not be comfortable reviving and dumping their suicide roms is aside from the point and actually further propels my double standard theory

Saying that the ability to revive suicide roms is new, is also aside from the point I am trying to make

The whole issue as it has been described to me is primarily for preservation so it is indeed a double standard as of the beginning of September 2016 to say that intentionally suiciding a working board is any different than not trying to revive a suicide board prior to installing the kit .. The arguments against my point that you have made don't address the central thesis here

As for availability, I actually was looking for almost there weeks for a dead board that I was sure was JUST a suicide board. I got lucky that someone I know and trust had some

I asked here early on when I joined how can you know for sure when you buy a dead board if it is dead ONLY due to a suicide and no one listened to me or gave me answers that were helpful.

I am continuing to discuss this even tho for me personally it is now moot because I firmly believe that through discussion, It will assist others in making informed choices . When I got here there was little talk of this and I had no idea it was flame-bait because I try not to acknowledge those who flame people and I think the way to deal with that sort of behavior is to ban them, not make rules that avoids the subject.
 
BTW I hope you're right that there are many more suicide boards in the wild than working boards. My limited exposure is that if that is the case no one is offering them up, either on eBay , KLOV, or here or anywhere. the few that I did see on eBay initially were listed as "dead" not "suicided" and they looked to be in horrible shape

I am putting my money where my mouth is and I am actively trying to help people who bought the kit find suitable dead boards for reasonable prices. I took a chance and bought the four boards hoping that people here would step up and claim them to help me diffray costs and they did

I am not trying to be confrontational or "flamey". But I have very clear and reasonable questions about all this that I would like to discuss, not dismiss
 
MarkWolfe said:
BTW I hope you're right that there are many more suicide boards in the wild than working boards. My limited exposure is that if that is the case no one is offering them up, either on eBay , KLOV, or here or anywhere. the few that I did osee on eBay initially were listed as "dead" not "suicided" and they looked to be in horrible shape

I am putting my money where my mouth is and I am actively trying to help people who bought the kit find suitable dead boards for reasonable prices. I took a chance and bought the four boards hoping that people here would step up and claim them to help me diffray costs and they did

I am not trying to be confrontational or "flamey". But I have very clear and reasonable questions about all this that I would like to discuss, not dismiss
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Indeed, I'm not arguing against your points, just trying to give you the perspective from someone on the preservation side. Darksoft and Mitsurugi just don't want the drama (if you Google you'll find the drama threads)

Like I said I don't flame anyone out for killing a board, but I also wouldn't help someone do it :)

Also, I responded to your post on how to tell a suicided board and thought it was pretty accurate, if there's no battery damage and no obvious other damage, CPS2 is typically quite reliable and if you boot to a solid colour screen, that's a suicided board.

Suicided boards are becoming harder to get since people know how to Phoenix them and also the CPS2 multi is quite popular :P but they do come up, it's just about being patient.
 
Yeah, I remember your reply regarding dead CPS2 boards and it def is common sense but you still risk money whenever you buy something that doesn't work and it's not like you can return it to the seller because they told you up front it doesn't work . All the dead boards I saw initially were filled with red flags and were in line with the points you made in your reply. We will see how far that goes when I get these four dead boards that not only come from a trusted source but are indeed immaculate looking. If your advice rings true, they will work perfectly for the kit.


Now, I said earlier on in a different reply that I am weary of rules that are made based on the way one side feels about something. I know for a fact that I won't want to restore my board not to mention that in my case, if the dead board in question is suitable, it has the chips removed already but I see this kit as the ONLY reason I am delving in to buying CPS2 boards. I don't share your sentiment for them .

I can respect your opinion and maintain an opinion that is the polar opposite from yours and hopefully have your respect as well .

So far you have not said anything that changes my opinion that, based on current advancements, not reviving and dumping. Suicide board is any more or less egregious than killing a working one if we can base that on a set of agreed upon sticking points :

1. The working board must either be a very common game or a very undesirable one (either of which has been verified to have been previously dumped)

2. The user's personal opinion that he or she will not later want to reverese the process

3. The understanding that even if they did change their mind, we CAN now reverse it

So, based on that criteria, I maintain that it is a double standard NOT to assist people to make an INFORMED decision to either kill a working board or wait until a suitable dead one surfaces

Keep in mind that the number of actual boards can not exceed the number of kits made and that makes me feel that what your arguing against is a VERY small number of boards


Additionally, I feel that it is a lot more likely that a previously suicided board MIGHT have a rare set of chips on it and therefore, statistically, it would be a shame NOT to try to do everything you could to check it out first before dedicating to a multi kit usage


But either way it CAN be reveresed so what exactly is the harm ?

The argument to keep it as factory fresh as possible is kind of OCD don't you think ? At the very least you can admit that it is just your opinion and that doesn't make it the final way to do things for someone else


This whole issue just seems very lopsided to me

I think it is much better to point kit owners to a thread like this or maybe one that is even more concise, and say to them, here are your options

You don't have to "condone" it but like teen sex, better to give the kids condoms than withhold them based on your personal beliefs regarding pre-marital sex

This can be treated as a "needle exchange" ... A safe harbor instead of a brick wall of inflexibility

To suicide a board seems to be a fairly easy procedure, cut the battery and then let it sit there for a while until the capacitor loses its charge and that's that ( is this going to be edited by a moderator? - or corrected or confirmed for accuracy? )

Even if that is done by accident, there should be a discussion about it instead of a hard line stance that it won't be "condoned"

Those are my feelings and opinions on the matter

I made the choice to go with a dead board with no chips which seems to me to be the BEST of all possible outcomes.

I will be discussing the fate of the chips on the two other B boards prior to selling them because I believe that these B boards will stay with the kits and never be swapped out and I am very interested to revive the chips first and dump them just for shits and giggles

I hope someone here will help me find someone who can do that for me if I cover cost of shipping. It will be interesting to see what games are on them I think .
 
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I'll leave a piece of my mind here:

I've been actively helping people to "kill boards" with my decrypted sets. By providing them with a decrypted, clean replacement of the original encrypted ROM for their boards people are able to get rid of the leaky battery and avoid damaging their boards. That's more about preservation than preserving these time bombs on the boards.

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(Thanks for the original poster for the imgur link. btw that game seems to be Street Fighter Alpha 2)
 
Yeah I think that is a much more effective way to preserve the games as long as it's the same dump or the game that is swapped is verified dumped and swapped with something else

But I also respect those that want that NIB feeling ... Factory Installed and maintained is a way to go but not the only way.
 
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Yeah I think that is a much more effective way to preserve the games as long as it's the same dump or the game that is swapped is verified dumped and swapped with something else

But I also respect those that want that NIB feeling ... Factory Installed and maintained is a way to go but not the only way.
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It's impossible to maintain something battery backed in factory installed state as you violate the factory installed state (seals, security screws and lock tabs) to replace the battery, anyway.

Oh the paradox. lol
 
l_oliveira said:
I'll leave a piece of my mind here:

I've been actively helping people to "kill boards" with my decrypted sets. By providing them with a decrypted, clean replacement of the original encrypted ROM for their boards people are able to get rid of the leaky battery and avoid damaging their boards. That's more about preservation than preserving these time bombs on the boards.

e8eZsyA.jpg

(Thanks for the original poster for the imgur link. btw that game seems to be Street Fighter Alpha 2)
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If your board is rattling, it's probably dead. Learned that the hard way.
 
Yup, First B board I bought for this kit had a rattling battery. Damage was done to the traces so I had to get another board.
 
Expecting the boards today. UPS is en route

i hope to have it all sorted by next week and will ship the extra boards to the folks that have offered to buy them very soon.

Well in time for the multi kit arrival, which has not even shipped yet.
 
Your method for killing a board is indeed correct (there is a jumper you can use as well which Mitsurugi mentions in his video about B board preparation) and as Leonardo mentioned he's happy to help too

Good to hear you'll be up and running soon and you've done a really nice thing for others in the community offering up your spare B boards for a good price :)

Fortunately I've had no batteries explode yet, that's quite the mess in that picture :(
 
Thanks for the confirmation. Didn't know about the jumper but it makes perfect sense.

I was happy to find out the multi kit does not require a battery to be attached at all which is nice.

The box did indeed show up, very well packed.

I'll be sorting it out over the next week or two and posting all my experiences with everything I'll be doing so that hopefully the next folks to come along won't be as in the dark as I was starting out.

I need to find somone to help with reviving and dumping the ROMs on the two in tact suicided B boards. For no other reason than pure curiosity.

We have a little time before the kit shows up so may as well give it a shot.
 
Good to see you're going to document your experience for others, always a good thing to do

Don't need a battery for the multi as it runs the decrypted ROMs you would otherwise burn to the EPROMs on the board to get it up and running again, the EPROMs are just replaced by Darksoft's custom flash memory board :)

Let me know when you want help dumping the ROMs on the other boards and I can help with that, are you just trying to identify what games those boards originally were or you want to learn how a ROM programmer works?
 
Oh thanks a lot

I'll contact you as soon as I have time to go through the box of boards and sort it all out

Mainly I'm just very curious to find out what games are on the two boards that still have chips. I feel it's important to try to preserve these things so I want to take steps to make sure whatever is on them is not lost before I send them to the folks who need them for multi kits

Mainly out of pure curiosity. It would be good to know what the process is although I doubt I would be able to afford the equipment to do it, but yeah, I am curious about that too.

Thanks a lot . I'll hit you up soon.
 
Region is controlled by the program roms. So you would need to dump the roms or revive the pcb to find out.
 
Mitsurugi-w said:
Region is controlled by the program roms. So you would need to dump the roms or revive the pcb to find out.
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To revive the pcb he need to know the region (so he knows which key to try) or go blindly testing... lol
 
Well honestly if you know your key programmer is working correctly it only takes a few seconds to test each one. ;)
 
I would think you'd get a hint as to region by what connectors the B board had, assuming you had the B board. That was actually one thing I didn't know going in. I knew there were different labels and colors but I had no idea the connectors were different to keep anyone from mix-matching. Def highlights my newbness

Alex was very kind to supply me with all this information about the labels of the ROMs last night actually after we spoke through email. He will be buying all the extra B boards I have and helping me to dump the two boards that have chips on them

I was VERY lucky to receive two revision 7 boards with this purchase, the one with only three chips that had no labels on them has a G PAL and it seems that all the dips are set correctly on that one so I probably won't have to pick up a soldering iron at all and I only had to pull three chips

If all goes well with installation, Alex gets the two other B boards and another member here gets the extra A board.

I'll post all my unboxing and set up experiences with this as well as what happens with the dumps to let you guys know if we find anything interesting. Probably not but you never know.

Now the wait begins for the kit to show up. So far no shipping notice from paradise since Thursday morning. They said Tuesday at the latest in an email to me on Friday.
 
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