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Smurph - we're working it out

Smurph said:
Side note, I'm no longer going to comment on ethics and who I think is wrong here.
Frankly (heh, thanks frank), I think it's both of us for different reasons.
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I'll drink to that.

I'm out too. We seem to be handling things fine privately now.

Thanks for those who saw my side, and for those who didn't, I appreciate your opinions, I just don't agree.
 
DecepticonZero said:
Also to the ass that thinks I'm "stirring the pot", this is just me backing up a buddy. It's what we used to do in this hobby before arcade machines became stuffed animal shelves.
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Tribalism. Got it. I still think Rewrite is an outstanding contributor to the community despite my disagreement with this particular situation. I'll still do business with him and Smurph if the time comes -- with the added wisdom of how these guys operate. Neither of them are malicious or bad for the community, just different ethics perspectives. Live and learn.
 
Yikes, if yosai truly thinks nothing went south here, I for sure am not going to be doing business with someone like him.

It's pretty clear-cut that the item was already sold for the price agreed upon. Backing out after money was exchanged, then re-posting the sale with a higher price is a dick move.

This isn't ebay or amazon. This is a small niche community that should be protected by its members.

People that do this to our small community need to be outed and market access restricted.
 
opt2not said:
This isn't ebay or amazon. This is a small niche community that should be protected by its members.
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Exactly. It works both ways. If I'm paying you the price for a broken board and it's not broken, I'm screwing you over. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.

You can sell a Deathsmiles any day of the week for $1000+. I think it's what, rewrites fifth or sixth time he's owning the board? He knows what it's worth working.

Smurph absolutely pulled a dick move by refunding instantly and trying to hawk it off for more instead of doing the right thing which is contacting rewrite. That would be the reason why I would be crying foul as a buyer, not working with the guy you're dealing with. However, I wouldn't be up in arms here that I'm not getting a board for a price that's way under market value.

Honestly, it's too bad this hobby went to shit. It happened around the time when it became lucrative to start owning these boards. Now it's super cutthroat, with everybody looking after their own interests.

Yeah, no thanks, I'll keep to my $100 boards and $300 cabs. You all can fight each other over your grail boards and stuffed animal shelves.
 
streetfighterken said:
Tribalism.
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How do you figure??

The only "tribes" I've seen lately are the mindless groups that congregate on Facebook who put more emphasis on framing PCB's and staging photoshoots with arcade cabinets and ridiculous looking neon signs. When this shit started getting bought more for aesthetic quality and how much "value" it holds, the hobby started going down the toilet. That's not to say anything about the rampant greed that bleeds its way into everything about this hobby.

Maybe I'm just an old man yelling at clouds...
 
nem said:
opt2not said:
This isn't ebay or amazon. This is a small niche community that should be protected by its members.
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Smurph absolutely pulled a dick move by refunding instantly and trying to hawk it off for more instead of doing the right thing which is contacting rewrite. That would be the reason why I would be crying foul as a buyer, not working with the guy you're dealing with. However, I wouldn't be up in arms here that I'm not getting a board for a price that's way under market value.
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Hold up,

That's exactly what I did.
I contacted him first to tell him I found out it wasn't actually broken, and if he'd be willing to pay more, or I'd refund him.
Granted, he had already paid so I should have kept to my word in that case.

Then he said some things that I took offense to, so I put the refund in and put it up for sale immediately.
Which was a dick move.

Just looking to set the record straight here.
@rewrite can corroborate this if needed I'm sure.
 
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Smurph said:
nem said:
opt2not said:
This isn't ebay or amazon. This is a small niche community that should be protected by its members.
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Smurph absolutely pulled a dick move by refunding instantly and trying to hawk it off for more instead of doing the right thing which is contacting rewrite. That would be the reason why I would be crying foul as a buyer, not working with the guy you're dealing with. However, I wouldn't be up in arms here that I'm not getting a board for a price that's way under market value.
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Hold up,
That's exactly what I did.
I contacted him first to tell him I found out it wasn't actually broken, and if he'd be willing to pay more, or I'd refund him.
Granted, he had already paid so I should have kept to my word in that case.

Then he said some things that I took offense to, so I put the refund in and put it up for sale immediately.
Still a dick move though.

Just looking to set the record straight here.
@rewrite can corroborate this if needed I'm sure.
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A key point you keep glossing over, after the fact, is that you shipped it late after rewrite had paid you for the "non-working" board. Not only did you ship it late, but you kept messing/testing with the board in hopes of getting it to work, it seems. Then once you got it working, you reneged on the original deal.

Had you shipped when you were supposed to, you would not have known it was working and that it was your original negligence that led you to believe it had not been working in the first place.
 
muckyfingers said:
Smurph said:
nem said:
opt2not said:
This isn't ebay or amazon. This is a small niche community that should be protected by its members.
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Smurph absolutely pulled a dick move by refunding instantly and trying to hawk it off for more instead of doing the right thing which is contacting rewrite. That would be the reason why I would be crying foul as a buyer, not working with the guy you're dealing with. However, I wouldn't be up in arms here that I'm not getting a board for a price that's way under market value.
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Hold up,That's exactly what I did.
I contacted him first to tell him I found out it wasn't actually broken, and if he'd be willing to pay more, or I'd refund him.
Granted, he had already paid so I should have kept to my word in that case.

Then he said some things that I took offense to, so I put the refund in and put it up for sale immediately.
Still a dick move though.

Just looking to set the record straight here.
@rewrite can corroborate this if needed I'm sure.
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A key point you keep glossing over, after the fact, is that you shipped it late after rewrite had paid you for the "non-working" board. Not only did you ship it late, but you kept messing/testing with the board in hopes of getting it to work, it seems. Then once you got it working, you reneged on the original deal.

Had you shipped when you were supposed to, you would not have known it was working and that it was your original negligence that led you to believe it had not been working in the first place.
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I didn't have a chance to re-test it in the morning before work, then ship during my lunch break because I work 55 hours a week, and do overnight on-call.

Yes, this was a result of my negligence. But not for the reason you're putting forth.
I didn't keep "messing/testing with the board", I plugged it into a different JAMMA setup ONCE, and it VERY VISIBLY did something different, so I said "hmmm" and adjusted the vertical size and position.

However, this is not something I can prove or corroborate so take it how you will.
 
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Again, you're missing the point, you had already tested and confirmed non-working. You sold it as such, got paid for it as such, just pack it up and send it as such. There was no reason for you to keep testing the board. Anyway, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point, I just wanted to drop my 2 cents in.

As long as everything is worked out in the end, we should all move forward and enjoy this hobby and our small community here.
 
muckyfingers said:
Again, you're missing the point, you had already tested and confirmed non-working. You sold it as such, got paid for it as such, just pack it up and send it as such. There was no reason for you to keep testing the board. Anyway, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point, I just wanted to drop my 2 cents in.

As long as everything is worked out in the end, we should all move forward and enjoy this hobby and our small community here.
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No, I had sold it as partially working. I wanted to ensure it hadn't degraded any further as I hadn't tried it out in a couple months, before shipping out.
Because that'd be the responsible thing to do.

If you have 2 cents that are inaccurate you should be prepared to be corrected.
Everything is indeed working out, so fanning additional flames is completely un-necessary.
 
suverman said:
Out of curiosity, whats this stuffed animal reference?
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@DecepticonZero and some others get all riled up that people put stuffed animals and toys on their cabs and take pics for Instagram.

@nem I've owned the game five or six times, yes. Every time I bought it was for 40,000jpy for a full kit. I'm not sure why my history of owning the game matters, but working or not this is the most I've ever paid for it. And this one isn't even a kit. Money already exchanged hands. The deal was done. I'm not sure why you don't want to accept that.

@Smurph your story is mostly correct. You refunded before I said anything rude though. You asked to change the price, I said we already had a deal and it should have already shipped, and that I hope you're a man of your word.

And there was zero need to test it again. You took pictures of the issue and sent then to me the same day I paid, condition of the board wouldn't have changed in those 24 hours.
 
rewrite said:
@Smurph your story is mostly correct. You refunded before I said anything rude though. You asked to change the price, I said we already had a deal and it should have already shipped, and that I hope you're a man of your word.

And there was zero need to test it again. You took pictures of the issue and sent then to me the same day I paid, condition of the board wouldn't have changed in those 24 hours.
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I actually had sent you old pictures of the issue >.>
My PVM hasn't been set up in months.

That man of your word thing was the part that set me off. It seemed like you were deliberately being inflexible in order to browbeat me into getting screwed on a technicality, in order to get a board at well below market value.

Everything that happened afterwards only reinforced this, until that one dude stepped in with his perspective.
 
Again, I'm willing to take this hit, as this whole thing is very clearly my own fault and a result of my own incompetence.
I humbly request that other members do not fan additional flames until we've worked this out.

Thank you very much for your cooperation.
 
Smurph said:
I actually had sent you old pictures of the issue >.>
My PVM hasn't been set up in months.

That man of your word thing was the part that set me off. It seemed like you were deliberately being inflexible in order to browbeat me into getting screwed on a technicality, in order to get a board at well below market value.
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Ah, see, couldn't have known that.

And no, it was legitimately hoping that you would keep to your word since in the same situation, I would have.
 
BNGamesReviews said:
People are digitally crucifying KC for the stuff he pulls, the same standard should apply to anyone who does something shady like this.
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See now, this shit right here is hilarious because the same people caping for KC are the same people crying foul here. It's okay when someone we know or can be useful does it, but not outsiders.
rewrite said:
Smurph said:
I actually had sent you old pictures of the issue >.>
My PVM hasn't been set up in months.

That man of your word thing was the part that set me off. It seemed like you were deliberately being inflexible in order to browbeat me into getting screwed on a technicality, in order to get a board at well below market value.
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Ah, see, couldn't have known that.
And no, it was legitimately hoping that you would keep to your word since in the same situation, I would have.
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You sound like the knobs over at slickdeals who jump on price mistakes at retailers only to piss and moan when they don't honor the grossly underpriced sale. I didn't see the PMs but I'm guessing you saw the pictures of the problem, knew it would be an easy 'fix', and instead of being a member of the community you guys love to crow about so much, you decided not to do the right thing and say "hey did you check this?" Looking at the help thread, this was solved pretty easily.

Yeah Smurph isn't innocent here, but your actions are just as gross and you should be ashamed.
 
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