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@Darksoft

I added more examples... hope this helps.

Maybe it would be possible to look after those issues during this month, and just in case there is a problem that I cannot solve by myself, to send it in and get it back in the 2nd week of September as there's a retro gaming convention where I planned to take the neo geo to. :)

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I have completed blazing stars 2 days ago, I didn't notice anything bad so far, even in your videos if you are talking about the faint line of pixels when the screen switches from an image to another in the intro, this has to be checked in the original cart too, sometimes glitches like that exist in original hardware too, for the moment I doubt it's an issue.
 
well, I checked some videos (ain't got an original BS cart) and they look smooth.
But OK, you'll never know the source so let me ask if someone here can confirm the behaviour..!? :

- graphical glitches in blazing star like shown in my video

- are you able to reload the menu once by pressing select?

- do you have that white pixel wood while flashing games as shown in my video?

- are your buttons in metal slug 3 gameplay working in console mode?

Thanks for trying
plx
 
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I'll try test some of those things when I get home tonight. At least Metal Slug 3. Although I have a different neo geo motherboard revision.
 
Afaik you can't switch into console mode yet, until the new menu comes out.

I played through the first stage of Metal Slug 3 fine.
 
console mode is set by unibios in my case.

arcade mode is fine here, too...
 
afaik unibios is not entirely supported as it is not the original hardware. aes mode will be supported but not yet implemented in this menu version. I think it's quite complicated to combine two mods at the same time. That's why I reverted back to original bios. For the sake of troubleshooting
 
I think you should probably wait until it's properly supported, arcade only for now.
 
archimage said:
afaik unibios is not entirely supported as it is not the original hardware. aes mode will be supported but not yet implemented in this menu version. I think it's quite complicated to combine two mods at the same time. That's why I reverted back to original bios. For the sake of troubleshooting
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Well, it’s a catch 22 scenario. Unibios is not the original hardware, but it works with real carts and a perfect flashcart should behave as a real cart. So, yes, DS Neo Multi is not obliged to support Unibios, but if it behaves 100% as a real cart there should be no issues with it.

Best regards.

Locutus73
 
Locutus73 said:
Well, it’s a catch 22 scenario. Unibios is not the original hardware, but it works with real carts and a perfect flashcart should behave as a real cart. So, yes, DS Neo Multi is not obliged to support Unibios, but if it behaves 100% as a real cart there should be no issues with it.
Best regards.

Locutus73
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That logic doesn't make any sense.
Your argument that the cart doesn't behave like a 100% real cart could be flipped to say the Unibios isn't a 100% bios because it doesn't work with the multi cart. It's just silly.


The UniBIOS was made to work on stock carts, and the Multi cart was made to work on a stock BIOS. They are fundamentally the same. Just because you WANT the cart to work 100% with an aftermarket BIOS doesn't mean it has to happen. Im sure DS will do everything he can to make them play nice, but in the end you might have to use a stock BIOS to get the most out of the cart.
 
No, locutus is basically right.
I think this is a basic "feature" that we can expect from a 400 eur multi cart...
reason: no one prefers changing the setup,
it should be possible to use that unibios woth the multi or an original one the same way.

no problem with metal slug x, though..
but 3-5
Can someone with unibios and one of these original carts check the console mode?
 
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That logic doesn't make any sense.Your argument that the cart doesn't behave like a 100% real cart could be flipped to say the Unibios isn't a 100% bios because it doesn't work with the multi cart. It's just silly.
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I’m sorry, but I don’t agree with you, I think you’re mixing things up, i.e. Software and Hardware.
Unibios is a software (which runs aside games) and it’s expected to run without bugs on original hardware or anything behaving 100% like the original hardware. i.e. Unibios runs on accurate software emulators with the same results as real hardware and this is a proof of the accuracy of these emulators.
A flashcart is a hardware emulator and, as any emulator, is expected, given the same inputs, to provide the same outputs as the original emulated hardware. It doesn’t matter if these inputs are provided by a real hardware, a logical analyzer or some other hardware emulator, what matters is same input=same output as a real cart.
It’s not an issue of what is designed for what… it’s about which functional behavior you’re emulating. Original carts in this case.

I own a Super NT (a FPGA SNES Hardware Emulator) and if an original game runs on it or on a SuperCIC modded SNES, but the same game doesn’t work on the same setup with a SD2SNES (a SNES Flashcart), Ikari (SD2SNES designer) investigates the issue and nobody in his forum or Discord chat writes “you WANT” with caps lock, drama or anything else. I’m sure this is the same approach followed by DarkSoft (i.e. he said somewhere, without raising any drama, that he will disable the flashcart MVS/AES feature in presence of Unibios)… I just don’t get this personalization of all issues, this is a technical forum, not a football fan forum.

Regards.

Locutus73
 
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Its not drama, that's why I capped the word "want" and not "you".


The cart is designed to work with a stock BIOS. If you don't have a stock BIOS you've introduced a variable not found in the original hardware. It's not an opinion and it's not up for debate.
 
@Locutus73 and @Malenko
I can settle this up for you guys in a few short true statements.

Q: UniBIOS functions like hardware BIOS?
A: No.

Q: What about UniBIOS is different?
A: It pulls the "Neo-Geo" logo from the cart header to save limited flash space for additional/expanded functions (like cheat codes for example).

Q: Why is this a problem with Darksoft Multi carts?
A: Because the cart header is blank until the multi cart flashes it, UniBIOS attempts to pull data from a part of memory that hasn't been written (yet).

Q: Who is to blame for this glitched logo from a purely technical (non-fanboy) standpoint?
A: Razoola is at fault for not storing the logo inside the BIOS itself, this is the standard established by official BIOS.

Yes he has a good reason for doing this, more space for features/functions... However this can't change the fact that he isn't following the established structure/format.
Darksoft's cart is designed to follow the original established structure, if the MVS is functioning normally as designed the cart will function normally as designed.
 
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@jassin000

Yeah, I know I was trying to explain it to the other guy. My factory BIOS doesn't have logo issues ;)
 
Even though that's true afaik @jassin000, I believe the reason for the above discussion is the function of the aes mode in the unibios with the multicart. Though it shouldn't be an issue as this feature will be implemented in the menu sometime.
 
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