My mistake, I thought this was sanctioned by the whole DU. Nevermind!
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For anyone curious on the background of how this all started, check out this thread:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showt...E!-UNRELEASED-GAME-RECOVERED!&highlight=Kenju
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showt...E!-UNRELEASED-GAME-RECOVERED!&highlight=Kenju
I can confirm that hundreds of people including myself have volunteerily donated PCBs, money and their time to get undumped games preserved and running on MAME. Benefit of it for us, other than preserving the game... ZERO.
Some people know that they have valuable games and treat them as an investment and will not share them.
OK, that's wild. I can't believe this whole thing started from some crazy suggestion by Billy Pitt. And you guys went to town with it.
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There is nothing going on. It's a 4 year old thread with the last useful post a link to, you guessed it, A-P, @brizzo's Romeo and Juliet thread (that link being from November 2017).
It is a lot more than what he said in that thread. The ~$40k for the AW project was mostly covered by me.
Apparently we're not actually that smart. I've spent a heinous amount of time solving how to dump secured devices as we still have so many unemulated games because of protected ICs. But the reward is knowing these games are preserved as part of history.
And to be clear, majority of the preservation work I do is independent and not as some organized structure of any group.
Let me give another example of how dumping and holding can be a benefit. Several years ago I was told the story about how the 68705 protected mcu from Chack'n Pop was lost/damaged/unrecovered. This chip being lost ruined relationship with a top tier private collector. I set out to build a glitching/dumping kit for this mcu so if we could get access to another boardset, it could be dumped on site without shipping (pcb is worth approx ~$10k USD). Until we were able to get access to chack'n pop, we tested dumping any other 68705s we could find (many taito games used them, and were undumped).
None of these dumps were released, until Chack'n Pop was completed and a replacement MCU was presented to the collector who originally loaned and lost one to another dumper. This was done as a gesture to show our primary interest was to make things right again.
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthread...mber=366886&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&vc=1
https://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2017/06/22/fall-of-the-m68705/
Not every project is black and white, that we just dump and have to release the files immediately. There's lots of things I've dumped and published same day, but sometimes projects have special circumstances.
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Jeez man, $40k of your own money?!!?
Wow, history and us nerds thank you, but seriously man, I hope you can afford to do that!
Wow, history and us nerds thank you, but seriously man, I hope you can afford to do that!
no surprise.
here is one of similar examples - recently was acquired two last missing TGP CPU firmwares from Sega Model 1 games - Virtua Fighter and Star Wars. so, all Model1 games now emulated, no HLE-simulation anymore.
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/bdc90e3a8f1f9a68eb72d8e0a22dfdd206855d77
as you may read in this commit discussion - it took more than year of work to "extract" firmware data from die shots, check for mistakes, fix them, etc.
year of work (in spare time) by very skilled / senior engineer from 1st-World country. you may imagine how much money it would cost (or he may gain) if doing some paid work instead.
PS: don't get me wrong, not bitching or smth, just trying to tell - quite often dumping/research/preservation/etc projects is much expensive.
@Dreygor short answer: there is no sense
longer version:
these conversions suffers from significant slowdowns here and there, afaik that's the only problem. it is unknown why this happen and I have no ideas why.
ofc, you may poke Darksoft, he in it's turn as usual will poke me, and it will ends with nothing (read above - no ideas about the cause of problem = unknown what should be fixed)
longer version:
these conversions suffers from significant slowdowns here and there, afaik that's the only problem. it is unknown why this happen and I have no ideas why.
ofc, you may poke Darksoft, he in it's turn as usual will poke me, and it will ends with nothing (read above - no ideas about the cause of problem = unknown what should be fixed)
I tested a CF version of Kenju years ago but I never even got it to boot. I've had in recent days several people contact me hiding their personal info trying to purchase a cf card with the game for use with Naomi.
Sorry to say there is no working version.
I've never played the game either.
Sorry to say there is no working version.
I've never played the game either.
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Hmm, I think we all would rather have a multi-AW.. 