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NAOMI 2/Chihiro/Triforce Card Reader Emulator (Initial D3/WMMT/Mario Kart/F-ZERO AX)

winteriscoming said:
winteriscoming said:
Something might be wrong with my Chihiro now. I can't get it to boot any version of WMMT. The ones that allow linking just hang on the PCB ID checking screen at boot and the Export version of WMMT1 boots and gets beyond the initialization and goes through all startup screens, and then goes black. This is without the card reader even plugged up and setting wheel and card reader to off in the settings... I'm back in 512MB mode, too and it was working for me in that mode before. This is unfortunate because I just invested money into a reader.

I confirmed that OR2SP still boots and plays fine, so not sure what could be wrong.
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Someone seems to have posted a similar issue with WMMT here:http://forums.arcade-museum.com/archive/index.php/t-296740.html

It might be an issue with my media board. I'll have to try unseating and re-seating it to see if that helps. Maybe clean it if that doesn't work.
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That's what I was going to say. Those boards are very picky. IF you move them much, they'll give you problems...
 
Success!

I got WMMT2 to boot with reader installed. I bought a card, finished a race and ejected.

It all printed and wrote to a DOC card. Wmmt card pic.jpg
 
For the record I unseated and reseated the Chihiro media board, I adjusted voltages to 5.1 and 3.3v (I was accidentally adjusting the 3.3v pot thinking it was 5v and accidentally put it out of spec.), and unplugged the Sega force feedback connector (pretty sure I always had this plugged in before, so not sure this mattered).

I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to do extensive monitoring and testing.

I probably want to get logs of the normal processes in the game before I get into hardware analysis and comparing to the ID3 reader. I'm still curious if 24v is being down converted, but the pcb is under a metal shroud that I'll have to remove when I get a chance and go at it with a DMM.
 
I actually noticed something similar on the OMZ IR gun boards I've been playing with, they require 12V power but then have a +5V dc converter that's used for nearly everything on the board.

I'd suspect that since so much of it deals with analog data they do this sot that the 5V is controlled internally and more consistently as opposed to being at the whim of whatever the PSU is providing. it could be a similar situation on the card reader...

another theory would be that the FFB motor runs on 24V and the opted to draw power from that instead of the main supply... or maybe the card reader simply uses 24V solenoids instead of 12V ones.
 
twistedsymphony said:
I actually noticed something similar on the OMZ IR gun boards I've been playing with, they require 12V power but then have a +5V dc converter that's used for nearly everything on the board.

I'd suspect that since so much of it deals with analog data they do this sot that the 5V is controlled internally and more consistently as opposed to being at the whim of whatever the PSU is providing. it could be a similar situation on the card reader...

another theory would be that the FFB motor runs on 24V and the opted to draw power from that instead of the main supply... or maybe the card reader simply uses 24V solenoids instead of 12V ones.
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If I recall correctly from the WMMT diagram, 12v was going to force feedback. I don't think anything else but readers got 24v.
 
Edited title of this thread to include Chihiro and WMMT.

Assuming I get the WMMT emulator working, is there anyone with a Triforce who could try it on the Mario Karts?
 
winteriscoming said:
Assuming I get the WMMT emulator working, is there anyone with a Triforce who could try it on the Mario Karts?
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Yup. ;) I also have Chihiro, Naomi, Lindbergh..... etc etc etc.

I would just need help building the actual emulator hardware.
 
I'll post the logs for all processes for WMMT and I'll dump the rom. It may be a while before I get a chance to get to this. My wife and I just had a baby. :D

I was scrambling to get the ID3 logs and emulator in before the birth, but the WMMT reader didn't come along until too late.
 
I played a little WMMT2 with a card and noticed something odd. Apparently it updates the information printed on the front of the card. Is it supposed to be able to clear off the ink?

For example, I started with a car that was 320hp and upgraded it to 340hp. On my card, the 340 was printed over the 320.

I still need to wire up and record some logs.
 

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I think it is supposed to be able to erase from what i've seen...
 
defor said:
I think it is supposed to be able to erase from what i've seen...
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Interesting. As far as I've seen ID3 doesn't do that. Only new stuff in different locations is printed as you progress. Nothing gets updated.

If erasing does happen for WMMT I wonder if that's a function of the reader unit, the card or both. I'm clearly not using a correct card, so it's not a good test. I have a few WMMT cards and may eventually try it.
 
WMMT test menu initialization:
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WMMT boot initialization:

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WMMT - Started new game, purchased new card, finished race, ejected card:
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WMMT - Started game, inserted existing card, won race, tuned to increase HP, ejected card:
PART 1:

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