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Reverse engineering 161 in 1 cartridge to change Rom games

I guess so... unless they buy up another lot of weird flash chips.
I noticed the special Unibios menu doesn't work with it.
 
Fluffy said:
I guess so... unless they buy up another lot of weird flash chips.
I noticed the special Unibios menu doesn't work with it.
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This is the pick n mix menu yeah? What a shame, I've just ordered some unibioses to use this :-/ Did you get the cart off Ali? If so could you please post a link just in case I can avoid the new version? Thanks
 
hatmoose said:
This is the pick n mix menu yeah? What a shame, I've just ordered some unibioses to use this :-/ Did you get the cart off Ali? If so could you please post a link just in case I can avoid the new version? Thanks
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Yes, the pick n mix menu, though I'm sure it could be easily fixed if someone had a dump of the menu code. I got it from eBay, since AliExpress adds another 20% VAT at the moment. I am sure it uses exactly the same pictures as my first one so you can't identify the version, and I'm sure each seller will have a random mix in stock.
 
Just checking in to say... had stuff going on for last 6 months or so, had to put this on the back burner, should be able get back into it soon (hopefully ;))

Those new 20200216 v10 boards look interesting, can't say i'm suprised they've dropped the big chip for P, it was a waste - over half was empty space!
Very suprised to see they're still using those original Max cpld, they're all but impossible to get hold of these days, they must have one hell of a stash :D

Bummer about pick'n'mix, last I heard unibios was no longer being developed, so I guess that'll never get fixed :(
From our point of view it won't make much difference, it will be down to changes in the MCU code and those STC chips can't be dumped anyway, so it was already a case of rewriting firmware from scratch for the v3/4 boards. Just means i'll have to get hold of the new board type and find out the physical differences, although I can forsee this becoming a pain eventually, there's already quite a few different versions out there, and probably more to come, will likely be tricky to keep track of and support them all!
 
Fluffy said:
... unless they buy up another lot of weird flash chips....
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That would be absolute worse case scenario for me :evil:
Don't even want to think how many hours I burnt figuring out those big chips, would definitely not want to go through it all again if some other weird chips start turning up ;)
 
rockbottom said:
Just checking in to say... had stuff going on for last 6 months or so, had to put this on the back burner, should be able get back into it soon (hopefully ;))

Those new 20200216 v10 boards look interesting, can't say i'm suprised they've dropped the big chip for P, it was a waste - over half was empty space!
Very suprised to see they're still using those original Max cpld, they're all but impossible to get hold of these days, they must have one hell of a stash :D

Bummer about pick'n'mix, last I heard unibios was no longer being developed, so I guess that'll never get fixed :(
From our point of view it won't make much difference, it will be down to changes in the MCU code and those STC chips can't be dumped anyway, so it was already a case of rewriting firmware from scratch for the v3/4 boards. Just means i'll have to get hold of the new board type and find out the physical differences, although I can forsee this becoming a pain eventually, there's already quite a few different versions out there, and probably more to come, will likely be tricky to keep track of and support them all!
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Welcome back! I'm just glad you're still going to keep the project going. :)
 
I've decided to collate details of the various known versions, any additions/corrections welcome...

v1
https://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Multigame_161_in_1_Series_1 "revision 1"
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_1
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-268655
PG: CFG81U5A
CH: SYA81D9B
all roms are ssop70 MSP55LV100S chips
owners: TobyRieper

v2
https://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Multigame_161_in_1_Series_1 "revision 2"
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_2
PG: 3A Nin1 Game Board T201312
CH: TA 161in1 MVS Board T201307
P,C,V roms are now big F0095H0 "stilt" chips, S,M roms are still MSP55LV100S chips
owners: rockbottom

v3
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_3
PG: 3A Nin1 Game Board T201312 ---> note: same markings as v2 but has some minor differences
CH: TA 161in1 MVS Board T201307 ---> note: same markings as v2 but has some major differences
S,M roms are now tssop JS28F512M29EWL chips
owners: ?

v4
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_4
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-6#post-266310
PG: TA-161in1-SB 20200218
CH: TA-161in1-XB 20200218
F0095H0 chips have moved position, boards have cut-outs under them
owners: Butter Meister, rcboosted

v5/AES
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-268878
PG: AES Board_01B T:20180309
CH: AES Board_01A T:20180309
M,S are MSP55LV100S chips again
F0095H0 chips have flexi "stilts" and are glued to pcbs
possibly clone or different manufacturer
extra small cpld and few extra logic chips (AES specific requirements)
green shell
owners: rcboosted

v6
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-280338
PG: 161in1-SB-1G-P_V10 20200216
CH: TA-161in1-XB 20200218
CH is same as v4
P roms are MSP55LV100S chips again
unibios pick'n'mix broken
owners: Fluffy, Evan

v7
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-9#post-384469
PG: 161in1-SB-8GDIP-V11 20221104
CH: 161in1-XB-8GDIP MVS Board TA-20221104
new label ("multigame series 1 161 in 1 v3")
new menu code (different graphics "161in1 v3")
different F0095H0 adapters
mcu is now 11F16XE (previously 11F08XE)
unibios pick'n'mix working again
owners: bytestorm, Vortex

key
PG: "prog" board (top), holds MCU and P,V roms
CH: "cha" board (bottom), holds C,M,S roms

Having seen this all together for the first time, I've noticed that our made-up "v" numbers are actually wrong...
Going by the boards marking (assumed to be dates), chronological order goes something like:
v1 -> v2 -> v3 -> v5/AES -> v6 -> v4 -> v7
But whatever, doesn't really matter, I propose we just keep incrementing the "v" with each discovery ;)
Different sellers will have different age stock, sell/restock quicker than others etc. only sure way to know what version when buying is to get the seller to open up the cart.
 
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rockbottom said:
I've decided to collate details of the various known versions, any additions/corrections welcome...

v1
https://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Multigame_161_in_1_Series_1 "revision 1"
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_1
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-268655
PG: CFG81U5A
CH: SYA81D9B
all roms are ssop70 MSP55LV100S chips
owners: TobyRieper

v2
https://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Multigame_161_in_1_Series_1 "revision 2"
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_2
PG: 3A Nin1 Game Board T201312
CH: TA 161in1 MVS Board T201307
P,C,V roms are now big F0095H0 "stilt" chips, S,M roms are still MSP55LV100S chips
owners: rockbottom

v3
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_3
PG: 3A Nin1 Game Board T201312 ---> note: same markings as v2 but has some minor differences
CH: TA 161in1 MVS Board T201307 ---> note: same markings as v2 but has some major differences
S,M roms are now tssop JS28F512M29EWL chips
owners: ?

v4
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=161-in-1_Series_1#Version_4
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-6#post-266310
PG: TA-161in1-SB 20200218
CH: TA-161in1-XB 20200218
F0095H0 chips have moved position, boards have cut-outs under them
owners: Butter Meister, rcboosted

v5/AES
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-268878
PG: AES Board_01B T:20180309
CH: AES Board_01A T:20180309
M,S are MSP55LV100S chips again
F0095H0 chips have flexi "stilts" and are glued to pcbs
possibly clone or different manufacturer
extra small cpld and few extra logic chips (AES specific requirements)
green shell
owners: ?

v6
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thr...-to-change-rom-games.15069/page-7#post-280338
PG: 161in1-SB-1G-P_V10 20200216
CH: TA-161in1-XB 20200218
CH is same as v4
P roms are MSP55LV100S chips again
unibios pick'n'mix broken
owners: Fluffy, Evan

key
PG: "prog" board (top), holds MCU and P,V roms
CH: "cha" board (bottom), holds C,M,S roms

Having seen this all together for the first time, I've noticed that our made-up "v" numbers are actually wrong...
Going by the boards marking (assumed to be dates), chronological order goes something like:
v1 -> v2 -> v3 -> v5/AES -> v6 -> v4
But whatever, doesn't really matter, I propose we just keep incrementing the "v" with each discovery ;)
Different sellers will have different age stock, sell/restock quicker than others etc. only sure way to know what version when buying is to get the seller to open up the cart.
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I have the V5. I can provide additional shots if needed.
 
Hello. A few years ago I got myself a 161 in 1. The first thing I did was see if anyone had figured out how to customize it. I came across the unibios guys thred on another forum, but that wasnt really what I wanted. Today I decided to search again and came across this thread. After reading through the progress that was made I got pretty hyped and decided to register on here. I want to let you know that I have a "V3". My actual electronics knowledge is little, but I can solder and follow instructions. If you need anything I'd like to help.

Chris
 
It's been a while, any news about this project ?
 
Anyone tried the new Version 3 cart? found here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005091215633.html

Wonder whats new, if anything, in this release :)

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Are all of these carts compatible with Razoola's Pick 'n Mix? I want to try that feature out, but I'm not sure if I need to look for a specific cart.
 
nem said:
Are all of these carts compatible with Razoola's Pick 'n Mix? I want to try that feature out, but I'm not sure if I need to look for a specific cart.
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I'm almost certain that others on these forums have posted that the v2 does not work with pick'n'mix - unfortunately I read it a while back and can't find the reference. Definitely worth checking in to
 
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