Hey, a reasonable thought for a change!
FS Egret 2/Windy 2/NNC/Q25 (Repair refund)
- Thread starter XeD
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For Sale
I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I expected a project cab that works, since I was told I was being sold a project cab that works.
Expected rust, cracked plastics, poorly covered up paint issues, mold, broken buttons/sticks, etc. But also expected it to be working, because that's how it was described.
Hedonism Bot 2.0
Grand Master
I was expecting a project too, and rust ,mold , mildew, not a problem- I can roll up my sleeves and get in there. But had I known the monitors weren’t working I would have more than likely stayed away.
Toshiba chassis are a bitch to repair, if they can be repaired. Sharp has been trying to fix one of my NNC Chassis over 3 months now.
Toshiba chassis are a bitch to repair, if they can be repaired. Sharp has been trying to fix one of my NNC Chassis over 3 months now.
BanishingFlatsAC
Champion
I have no personal dog in this fight other then two of my buddies and several other users whom I consider good folks are involved in this.
IMO, this entire cab order has been off since day one. It should have been disclosed from day one that Yaton was the "man behind the curtain" with this whole buy. Instead folks had to piece together pictures like Encyclopedia Brown in order to solve that mystery. I think the average person would have still been in, but those of us in this hobby for a decent amount of year might have held off.
Secondly, when one purchased a project can, you often know what you're getting into. Body work, repro art, maybe a PSU swap. But for these to be listed as "tested working" is a fucking joke. These thing we're not even plugged in. I've seen one Windy that's actually working so far...one. As I stated before, "tested working" is a term that Yaton doesn't quite seem to grasp the concept of. Yet another reason why this should have been disclosed.
Third, Xed, you need to step up to the plate. I understand you have some issues going on with sick family members, but this issue needs to be addressed. I don't know the behind the scenes details of this, but if Yaton was quick to respond and is now playing hard to pin down....you got fucked dude. Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened. There have been several other sellers who have been fucked over by Chinese wholesellers in the past, so this is nothing new. What happened however is they got porked by not being transparent, something I advise you become quickly.
$88 isn't going to cut it. Yaton needs to either supply replacement "actual working" parts quickly or at least compensate folks for the actual dollar value of the repair. A project canlb is a project cab, these were not sold as project cabs....fuck at one point they were listed as NOS...lol.
The burden of this is going to fall on you Xed. I know you're new to these container buys, but this is unfortunately a side effect to being a middle man for a shady seller. You had to have know this was a possibility.
IMO, this entire cab order has been off since day one. It should have been disclosed from day one that Yaton was the "man behind the curtain" with this whole buy. Instead folks had to piece together pictures like Encyclopedia Brown in order to solve that mystery. I think the average person would have still been in, but those of us in this hobby for a decent amount of year might have held off.
Secondly, when one purchased a project can, you often know what you're getting into. Body work, repro art, maybe a PSU swap. But for these to be listed as "tested working" is a fucking joke. These thing we're not even plugged in. I've seen one Windy that's actually working so far...one. As I stated before, "tested working" is a term that Yaton doesn't quite seem to grasp the concept of. Yet another reason why this should have been disclosed.
Third, Xed, you need to step up to the plate. I understand you have some issues going on with sick family members, but this issue needs to be addressed. I don't know the behind the scenes details of this, but if Yaton was quick to respond and is now playing hard to pin down....you got fucked dude. Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened. There have been several other sellers who have been fucked over by Chinese wholesellers in the past, so this is nothing new. What happened however is they got porked by not being transparent, something I advise you become quickly.
$88 isn't going to cut it. Yaton needs to either supply replacement "actual working" parts quickly or at least compensate folks for the actual dollar value of the repair. A project canlb is a project cab, these were not sold as project cabs....fuck at one point they were listed as NOS...lol.
The burden of this is going to fall on you Xed. I know you're new to these container buys, but this is unfortunately a side effect to being a middle man for a shady seller. You had to have know this was a possibility.
BanishingFlatsAC
Champion
Also, I know I'm a big mouth, but where were these folks with knowledge of the Windy Chassis during this group buy? I've seen several people come out of the woodwork during the past few weeks saying these chassis are "non repairable". Why wasn't this knowledge passed on to folks during the group buy? I thought we were a "community"?
ReplicaX
Grand Master
When someone advertises something as working. It should be working. These cabinets should have been electrically working for their price, period. Instead, Yaton halfassed testing the majority of the cabs on every container, US, UK, CAN. Those actually aren't high expectations for what was advertised by him. Ppl knew there were going to be cosmetic issues and overall filthiness. Even after all the mayhem, ppl regardless of their opinion, came here and helped these folks. But, Yaton needs to learn a lesson. Advertise truthfully and adjust pricing accordingly. Funny how he does it with eBay, but not on huge bulk containers.
My experience all these years in group buys, is the middle man having higher expectations and getting in over their head. Nothing is easy in this process, why so few provide it.
The common mistake is ppl not doing the right thing or making things right in the end.
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electricgrave
Beginner
How is it that group buys like these are usually done by the inexperienced?
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XeD
Grand Master
I share the exact same opinion expressed by rewrite.
I got a Windy 2 from the Montreal container. All Windy 2 had serious issues. Here are the issues that mine seems to have :
- Faulty I/O, no sound (huge buzz in the speakers), no image.
- Faulty Monitor, vertical collapse as soon as it powers on and shut itself off after 5 seconds.
- Joysticks and all buttons must be change (But that, I was expecting to change all of them)
XeD
Grand Master
Just trying to keep things up to date. I have the following cab issues:
rewrite
Domy - Chassis
E2 - PSU
acblunden2
Windy - Chassis and I/O
E2 - PSU
8bitforlife
Windy - PSU
E2 - PSU
Kuze
Windy - Chassis
hatsunemike
E2 - PSU
who else received non working cab and who is still waiting to receive.
rewrite
Domy - Chassis
E2 - PSU
acblunden2
Windy - Chassis and I/O
E2 - PSU
8bitforlife
Windy - PSU
E2 - PSU
Kuze
Windy - Chassis
hatsunemike
E2 - PSU
who else received non working cab and who is still waiting to receive.
brad808
Professional
I haven't receive my two cabs yet. I have a truck picking up in Montreal on Monday, I should receive Tuesday. Guillaume said he's testing them first so finger crossed they get to me ok in decent shape.
Hedonism Bot 2.0
Grand Master
My windy 2 chassis is completely dead.
problem is people with a faulty psu on windy2 can't really tell if something else is broke till psu is fixed. Unfortunately there's no info on the net about fixing or anyone finding a suitable replacement.
Just from my side, I'm overall OK with how things ended up for me and I'm not seeking personal compensation from @XeD, but as a group I do agree we should seek compensation from Yaton due to the deceptive "tested working" terms of the sale. I paid for three working cabs and ended up with two working cabs that I'm happy with (especially the NNC) and one non-working project cab. I'm sure the Windy 2 I'll get up and running eventually (even if it means a new tube + chassis) and it should clean up well at least externally after a lot of work. It would be really sad if the original tube has to go though, because honestly it looks like it could be a great display.
I understand that participation in a group buy like this is a bit of a gamble for everyone involved and there will be some problems. I am however disappointed to hear that the majority of the non-NNC cabs being received are not working and certainly were not tested. If you still owe Yaton money for the cabs, it may be easier to negotiate not paying the remainder (however much that is) or a portion of it, than it would be trying to get money back from him or replacement parts.
If by some miracle we could source working Windy 2 chassis from Yaton for the non-working monitors like @radiantsvguns and mine, that would be awesome and my preferred option but if he had them I imagine he would have already listed/sold them on eBay to be honest.
I understand that participation in a group buy like this is a bit of a gamble for everyone involved and there will be some problems. I am however disappointed to hear that the majority of the non-NNC cabs being received are not working and certainly were not tested. If you still owe Yaton money for the cabs, it may be easier to negotiate not paying the remainder (however much that is) or a portion of it, than it would be trying to get money back from him or replacement parts.
If by some miracle we could source working Windy 2 chassis from Yaton for the non-working monitors like @radiantsvguns and mine, that would be awesome and my preferred option but if he had them I imagine he would have already listed/sold them on eBay to be honest.
LaTraille
Student
I tested all the Windy’s with Guillaume and they’re all problematic... collapsed monitors or heavily distorted images. Chuck Norris probably had a few games on all cabs as all control panels are destroyed. The good news is that all cabs had working PSU’s (for now), but all of them are project cabs.
The NNC’s are all sexy, but throw away the PCB plank: all of them are rotten and have mold...
Haven't tested this with live volts yet, but did meter this all out and it checks good. Here is what my DC adapter for the Egret II PSU looks like:
Close Up:
This the the 13 position 41791-series Molex connector which I picked up locally (2 for $1). The interesting thing is that the Egret II connector has only 12 positions while the actual PSU has 13 positions with one key removed. But from left to right, here is what you should do for each pin:
Back:
Here is the fingerboard I used to check connectivity was going to the correct pins. It has all the pins lables silk screened on it so I can't get the metering tests wrong. Got it from Ian Kellog's site before his apartment was burt down. Also, that is the card from the package bought at Home Depot for the connects I am using for the replacement Peter Chou PSU
Lastly, visual inspection shows the caps on the Egret II all look good. But there is some darkening around the resitors just to the right of the big capacitor on the top right. This should be the reason why it runs high and unstable. I think I will just leave this alone for now and use the Peter Chou PSU.
Still have to make the AC adapter. Don't have the proper connector for that just yet. For that, I just need to make sure I have hot and neutral ID'd correctly.
Close Up:
This the the 13 position 41791-series Molex connector which I picked up locally (2 for $1). The interesting thing is that the Egret II connector has only 12 positions while the actual PSU has 13 positions with one key removed. But from left to right, here is what you should do for each pin:
- Might be hard to see in this pic, but I removed the left most pin from the header. The connector from the harness only has 12 positions. You can leave it in, but you may find it may confuse you later as you align the pins up for connection.
- Not connected but leave it in place to ensure proper alignment.
- This is the keyed pin, so it must be removed for the fit.
- This is the -5 volt pin. I used yellow wire here which is non-standard. But it is all I had handy.
- Interestingly, folks say that the Egret II only has one -5 volt connection at the harness. When I tested my harness with a meter, connectivity to both -5 volt pins was shown.
- +12 volts (used red here because that is what I had handy)
- +12 volts (used red here because that is what I had handy)
- Not connected. Leave this pin here.
- Ground (black)
- Ground (black)
- Ground (black)
- +5 volts (used white here because that is what I had handy)
- +5 volts (used white here because that is what I had handy)
- +5 volts (used white here because that is what I had handy)
Back:
Here is the fingerboard I used to check connectivity was going to the correct pins. It has all the pins lables silk screened on it so I can't get the metering tests wrong. Got it from Ian Kellog's site before his apartment was burt down. Also, that is the card from the package bought at Home Depot for the connects I am using for the replacement Peter Chou PSU
Lastly, visual inspection shows the caps on the Egret II all look good. But there is some darkening around the resitors just to the right of the big capacitor on the top right. This should be the reason why it runs high and unstable. I think I will just leave this alone for now and use the Peter Chou PSU.
Still have to make the AC adapter. Don't have the proper connector for that just yet. For that, I just need to make sure I have hot and neutral ID'd correctly.
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brad808
Professional
That's not cool. I have a Windy 2 and Egret 2 coming