This has been the complaint regarding arcade cores, and the fact that mister devs refuse t o address the input issue for jamma/jvs cause arcade cores are just not important enough. And if you don't know what/how MiSTer is just got get rPi. Well that's the mentality. @invzim tried to explain why certain controls schemes needed to be implemented to MiSTer overlords but yeah he like everyone else suggesting anything got shot down or brushed off.
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Mackie
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Yes, it’s unfortunate if the lead devs on the project are not really considering such feedback.
This does not replace the facts that fpga cores for arcade pcb preservation is definitely the future.
It is just that the operating system, mister, unlike SNK at his time, the future is not now.
Irken’s board tries pretty nicely to interact with mister in the context of an arcade setup. But there is nothing much that could have been done (maybe these two usb ports I mentioned would have been nice).
But yeah, other than that, for me, mister is just not ready. It’s « ok ». But I will most likely put the board back in a drawer most of the time for now.
This does not replace the facts that fpga cores for arcade pcb preservation is definitely the future.
It is just that the operating system, mister, unlike SNK at his time, the future is not now.
Irken’s board tries pretty nicely to interact with mister in the context of an arcade setup. But there is nothing much that could have been done (maybe these two usb ports I mentioned would have been nice).
But yeah, other than that, for me, mister is just not ready. It’s « ok ». But I will most likely put the board back in a drawer most of the time for now.
Yeah I suppose so. But isn't the Blast a TriSync? I have to apologize I'm ignorant as far as resomolutions and Scaling, etc etc goes. I'm the type that thinks "its video. Just display the video."
While I'm all about better image quality, I just don't *get* why it has to be so complicated. These are 25+ year old games, (granted, running on 25+ year old monitors). You'd think these whizbang programmer/devs would have sorted it by now.
All said though, I have to say I'm happy with the Expander. No complaints what-so-ever. So my picking of nits regarding this issue are 100% not directed at Zim's product, or the MiSTerCade when/if it comes out.
Sure I'm more of a fighting game enthusiast when it comes to arcade games, but every once in a while I'd like to fire up Mercs, Gaplus, or Contra mainly for the nostalgia. It's a bummer I can't do this with my current setup. I've had my share of RetroPie installations and whatnot, and I'm (edit) - NOT meticulous enough to notice timing issues with software emulation (unless its like noticeable lag) but I like that I have pretty much the actual board running in my cab with the MiSTer. Plus, there are some console-only games that would rock on the cab (Genesis shmups, WeaponLord, etc). And to be completely frank - I kinda like the simplicity of the MiSTer OSD instead of using processing power for hyperspin backgrounds and little movies, etc. Those RetroPie images are sometimes just too damn busy.
Maybe I'll happen upon a vert candy cab in my adventures, but I kinda doubt it.
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A VGA monitor has enough vertical resolution to display tate games rotated. I don't have a MiSTer of my own, but I've seen Dodonpachi rotated on a Blast City monitor with one. I thought it looked fine? Certainly better than I expected it to look.
Sure, but you're interfacing with it over Jamma, not JVS. The video signal is going over the Jamma edge at 15khz, the native resolution for all these titles. So your tri-sync is in 240p mode basically.
I hear you, but you're kind of trying to make something simple complicated. These solutions (Expander, Mistercade) are meant for running games, in cabs, in a native way. Simple. That native way doesn't speak this extra language you're asking it to, that's the complication. Jamma games aren't 31khz (maybe some weird exceptions? Atomiswave?), the entire reason the JVS standard was created was to handle things like better video quality.
Oh, 100%. At 31khz 640x480 it definitely works I think. I used to do the exact opposite of this conversation, I had a MAME cab with a vertical tri-sync monitor, and I would run a small selection of horizontal games with letterboxing on it. Worked just fine. But that's because you have 4x the resolution to work with.
Trying to do it at 15khz wouldn't look good imo.
I feel like there's an answer here, but it might be just plugging the Mister into like a JVS-PAC instead of a Jamma-oriented solution?
They were plugging their Mister into the Blast over VGA I'm sure. See my above thought about using a JVS-PAC instead. You're not actually looking for a true Jamma solution really, you're trying to use your Blast's "full capability" rather than worrying about being authentic.
I don't see why it should matter if you have it connected to the jamma edge connector. It's just a connector. But again, I'm not a MiSTer or an Expander owner, so I don't know. You will have to change some things in the .ini, that I'm at least fairly sure of. It may or may not break other things.
Atomiswave, Examu EX-board, System Y2, Arcana Heart, there's a few. I pipe Naomi in 31khz through jamma with a Sega JVS to Jamma IO too.
Atomiswave, Examu EX-board, System Y2, Arcana Heart, there's a few. I pipe Naomi in 31khz through jamma with a Sega JVS to Jamma IO too.
andynumbers
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Anybody else running this in an Egret II cab? I can't adjust the voltage below 5.15, but it seems to work anyway. I think the issue is there is not enough "loading" on the 5V rail. Perhaps this could be corrected by adding a beefy resistor to the 5V rail to load it some more.
@andynumbers you should run a stock egret2 psu on a 100v stepdown. I’m betting you aren’t, which is why you can’t dial its 5v output low enough.
Finally got the chance to try the expander. The de10 kit took longer than expected to arrive. The first issue was the high voltage(5.41v). After dialing it down to 5.01v everything turned out well. The walk through in Irken's website is straightforward, noobs like me will get it sorted out in no time.
I only regret not getting another one when I got the chance. Hopefully it'll get restock soon.
I only regret not getting another one when I got the chance. Hopefully it'll get restock soon.
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Mackie
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100% agree. I always use the reco adapter even as a passtrough to adapt if necessary as the pcb you plug can vary on the 5v it draws.
Unfortunate that the reco is not available anymore for now because it is really so useful and perfect.
The Reco is super useful that way. I was diagnosing a problem with the Mistercade the other day, which needs 12v, and my Windy power supply was struggling to give enough juice. It's easy to check with a meter, but it was watching the voltage live on the Reco that confirmed the problem.
This is PGM from that same problem checking session, 12v steady there, but just a handy pic of the Reco.
This is PGM from that same problem checking session, 12v steady there, but just a handy pic of the Reco.
andynumbers
Professional
Go figure. I got the thumbs up from Mike to run MS9s on 120v with no issue, but I didn't realize the stock PSU can't handle it. I already went to the trouble of removing my internal stepdown transformers. I think I'll just ditch the stock PSUs and switch to Meanwells or something.
@andynumbers it’s usually fine but for small pcbs it’s a problem. Cv-1000 included! If you swap the psu, check if this is coming back in stock, it makes it easy: https://www.arcadeshop.com/i/1159/taito-etu-3mv51-m4100023b-power-supply-kit.htm
Mackie
Student
Yes they are great too. Agreed.
