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It could give us a better idea of peak voltages. I'd put a color bar up through CPS2 or something and see what the peak voltages are on the scope.


With my Mistercade Versus I have to bump the brightness a bit on my MS8 monitor. That should take care of it for you.
Idk if it would be that much of a help because it’s an analog oscilloscope with a crt inside lol. We could definitely view noise on the signal but extremely accurate voltage representation is not its forte. In this case we would just set it to 0.5 volts per division and count each graticule from zero volts upwards.
 
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If I take the vga output from the Mistercade and run it through a J-Pac into the JAMMA edge it looks great.
 
I didn't try anything other than the video signal. I guess you could run USB from the Mister to the J-PAC, but that kinda defeats the purpose of having a Mistercade
 
I didn't try anything other than the video signal. I guess you could run USB from the Mister to the J-PAC, but that kinda defeats the purpose of having a Mistercade
I know right. If it can output clean through the VGA then it should be the same from the jamma edge. This is kind of a strange issue. I wonder if this is somehow connected to the dim brightness as well? Was the video dim through VGA? No brightness adjustment necessary?
 
Regarding dim video:
I found a way to increase the brightness. It involves removing 3 (tiny) resistors. It will approximately double the video levels, restoring them to MiSTercade V1's levels.
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I've already modified the remaining MiSTercade V2s and will happily perform the mod on units that have already shipped. I'm not sure how to handle International orders.

Unlike consumer RGB video, arcade RGB video levels never had a standard. Most arcade board video voltages range from 2V to 5V. You'll find most Raspberry Pi solutions to have 0.7V video output. I chose 3.3V video levels for MiSTercade V1 because it matched the Neo Geo MV1C arcade board. The MiSTercade V2 units that already shipped have video levels closer to 2V. I wish JAMMA had standardized a video level. It would have made everyone's life much easier.

Regarding MS8-29 ringing:
I was able to reproduce the issue but haven't yet found a solution. I had to reflow all solder joints on my MS8 chassis to see the issue. I have 2 other chassis that were sent out for repair and returned without success. Why are MS8 chassis cursed? Haha. My MS9-29 chassis doesn't exhibit any kind of ringing. Will keep looking into it!
 
Hey everyone just finished removing the resistors. I just want to say make sure you have the proper equipment to do this. These are very small components. Photo is under 1.5 magnification.
Testing now
 

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Regarding dim video:
I found a way to increase the brightness. It involves removing 3 (tiny) resistors. It will approximately double the video levels, restoring them to MiSTercade V1's levels.
Screenshot 2024-09-19 at 1.00.54 PM.png


I've already modified the remaining MiSTercade V2s and will happily perform the mod on units that have already shipped. I'm not sure how to handle International orders.

Unlike consumer RGB video, arcade RGB video levels never had a standard. Most arcade board video voltages range from 2V to 5V. You'll find most Raspberry Pi solutions to have 0.7V video output. I chose 3.3V video levels for MiSTercade V1 because it matched the Neo Geo MV1C arcade board. The MiSTercade V2 units that already shipped have video levels closer to 2V. I wish JAMMA had standardized a video level. It would have made everyone's life much easier.

Regarding MS8-29 ringing:
I was able to reproduce the issue but haven't yet found a solution. I had to reflow all solder joints on my MS8 chassis to see the issue. I have 2 other chassis that were sent out for repair and returned without success. Why are MS8 chassis cursed? Haha. My MS9-29 chassis doesn't exhibit any kind of ringing. Will keep looking into it!

do you suggest to this as a standard thing? If so ill warm the iron up tonight. Dont think sending back from the UK is wise! ha
 
No sadly it didn’t, that’s something else entirely.
It does look less pronounced after the mod.
Also it’s less noticeable when the Nanao control board SS switch is in the B position.
B position on the left
A position on the right
 

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Regarding MS8-29 ringing:
I was able to reproduce the issue but haven't yet found a solution. I had to reflow all solder joints on my MS8 chassis to see the issue. I have 2 other chassis that were sent out for repair and returned without success. Why are MS8 chassis cursed? Haha. My MS9-29 chassis doesn't exhibit any kind of ringing. Will keep looking into it!
Can you compare the amplitude of the sync signal between V1, V2, and some standard hardware too?

I had this problem with CPS3 on my MS8. Inline resistors mostly fixed it. There's also discussion about using a low pass filter. I linked to different things in this post:
https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/psa-dont-use-cps3s-test-patterns.24869/
 
Hey everyone just finished removing the resistors. I just want to say make sure you have the proper equipment to do this. These are very small components. Photo is under 1.5 magnification.
Testing now
Just mentioning that if the person has a decent iron and a reasonably small tip, it is very easy to do with Chip Quik or a similar low melt alloy.
 
Regarding dim video:
I found a way to increase the brightness. It involves removing 3 (tiny) resistors. It will approximately double the video levels, restoring them to MiSTercade V1's levels.
Screenshot 2024-09-19 at 1.00.54 PM.png


I've already modified the remaining MiSTercade V2s and will happily perform the mod on units that have already shipped. I'm not sure how to handle International orders.

Unlike consumer RGB video, arcade RGB video levels never had a standard. Most arcade board video voltages range from 2V to 5V. You'll find most Raspberry Pi solutions to have 0.7V video output. I chose 3.3V video levels for MiSTercade V1 because it matched the Neo Geo MV1C arcade board. The MiSTercade V2 units that already shipped have video levels closer to 2V. I wish JAMMA had standardized a video level. It would have made everyone's life much easier.

Regarding MS8-29 ringing:
I was able to reproduce the issue but haven't yet found a solution. I had to reflow all solder joints on my MS8 chassis to see the issue. I have 2 other chassis that were sent out for repair and returned without success. Why are MS8 chassis cursed? Haha. My MS9-29 chassis doesn't exhibit any kind of ringing. Will keep looking into it!

I have an MS8 and a MS9 cabinet.
I'm glad you fixed the dimming on MS9, I'll wait for a solution for MS8 ringing to order the MiSTercade.

Please keep us posted, thank you!
 
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