This is probably the best idea.i think @acblunden2 can ship only the frame.
Making it taller/wider would be fine for people who don't already have them, but would look super weird next to anyone's existing one.
This is probably the best idea.i think @acblunden2 can ship only the frame.
We really need to decide what we want as a group. This cab isn't a "one size fits everyone's needs".This is probably the best idea.i think @acblunden2 can ship only the frame.
Making it taller/wider would be fine for people who don't already have them, but would look super weird next to anyone's existing one.
The exterior was to be as original up until today. If an internal door isn't quite perfect, or mounting needs to be changed: no big deal at all. The exterior changing is less than ideal.and we knew upfront this cab isn't 100% original.
Since the crt is angled back, the bottom is pretty close to front. But most likely there is probably still room enough. Anyone have good pics of the K7000 mounted in its frame??If anything the bigger image and closer distance would look better than before
Or maybe shorten the bezel form to make up the gap even.
We dont have any problem with bottom. Normally the monitor is fititng inside the cabinet but the Metal Frame is problem. They say it wont work without it.Since the crt is angled back, the bottom is pretty close to front. But most likely there is probably still room enough. Anyone have good pics of the K7000 mounted in its frame??If anything the bigger image and closer distance would look better than before
Or maybe shorten the bezel form to make up the gap even.
I think this can probably be solved most likely by hursit remaking the mounting frame or adjusting the mounting brackets on the cab itself. Is it narrowed down to the K7000 only, or others as well? Like the K4600/K4900??
Is it any of these? Both?
So am I taking measurements or not?If you look at the drawings, particularly the width, there is no way the K7000 will be able to go in with the OG frame without making the cab wider. The K7000 frame has flaps that fold outward at a 90 degree angle for mounting. So the K7000 will need to go in without the OG frame, hursit will then have to make a chassis tray or a new frame/chassis combination. That is fine and I've discussed this with hursit. As for design choices,
Now I mentioned to hursit that if the K7000 must go in without the OG frame, that does opens up the possibility of using alternate CRT monitors. Even donor TV tubes would work with maybe even a universal Wei-ya chassis becoming an option in a pinch. Would make those on the fence that can't secure a WG 19K7000 closer to getting on board. Now if alternate monitors become usable, then the bezel has to be thin enough gauge to be flexible to account for potential differences in screen curve. I mentioned, I've tube swaped a ton of 19" classics with preformed bezels. Screen curve differences at 19" have never been a problem since in all of those cases, those bezels have been flexible and I've been able to get them to fit without light leakage. But my previous efforst have been pressing in such bezels perpendicular to the screen. In this case, the bezel will close in with the door at an angle. At most, a user using a non-WG 19K7000 might have to do some mods with a heat gun or Dremel to make it work. But to make this happen, a certain measurement must be known: Front of screen to dog ear mount.
- We should agree that it should be built around the K7000 for longevity: highly studied, readily available parts, easily repaired
- We should keep the height and width the same. If any dimension needs to be enlarged, should be the depth by about 1" at most, IMO
Given that, I have some work to do. To take accurate measurements, I must do this on a level surface with the screen face down on that surface. And because the screen is curved, I have to find some 1" rubber rectangular tubes to keep the monitor in that position stable and level. The measurements can't be accurate if things are not level. From there I will need to take these measurements:
With Frame:
Without Frame
- Total depth - done 17 5/8"
- Depth to back of frame
- Width of back of frame
- Depth from front of screen to frame mounts
- Frame mount spacing
- Frame mount hole size
- Length of wires from chassis to neckboard
- Total Length of wires
- Length from FBT to anode cup
- Total length of anode wire
I also told him I have quite a few 8-pin 19" TV tube donors handy for the WG 19K7000. I'll measure those just to see what the viability is of using alternate monitors. Also, many WG 19K7000's are burnt to a crisp. So many that would be candidates for use in the repro might be unusable. So I'll measure those with the same dimensions as "Without Frame" measurements. That way, we can know what the viability is of using alternate 19" monitors for those that are on the fence due to monitor consideration.
- Total depth - done 17 5/8"
- Depth to from front of screen to tube dog ear mounts
- Dog ear mount spacing
- Dog ear mount hole size
And I greatly appreciate it, because if you hadn't, we'd run into an awful mess /after/ it can't be remedied.I brought this to the attention of @rewrite yesterday and he shared it.
K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.Can the K7000 be run without its frame? Some of those WG models mount the HOT to the frame, and/or use it as the chassis' primary ground.
Do the K7000s need iso transformers?? If so, then these frames should not be grounded to the cab correct or not?K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.Can the K7000 be run without its frame? Some of those WG models mount the HOT to the frame, and/or use it as the chassis' primary ground.
Yes, they do. The K7000 manual is available online with all sorts of info like this. I think everyone interested in one should give it a look over.Do the K7000s need iso transformers??K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.Can the K7000 be run without its frame? Some of those WG models mount the HOT to the frame, and/or use it as the chassis' primary ground.
YES YOU NEED AN ISO. THESE SHOULD BE AC WIRED FOR A FULL GROUND AS WELL FOR THE ISO. Otherwise, the ISO is a paperweight.Do the K7000s need iso transformers?? If so, then these frames should not be grounded to the cab correct or not?K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.Can the K7000 be run without its frame? Some of those WG models mount the HOT to the frame, and/or use it as the chassis' primary ground.
They absolutely DO require ISO transformers.Do the K7000s need iso transformers?? If so, then these frames should not be grounded to the cab correct or not?
@DecepticonZero Man, im glad you are back. Im sure all here are thankful for the input, and it is always welcomed, whether positive/negative or anything in between. Not my project, but I rather people ask a million questions to the point of being annoying even and things are done right the first time and everyone is on the same level, understanding clearly exactly what they are getting and are happy, than there are no questions that are asked and most, if not all, are disappointed with the end product, lose $$$/time, get no product, etc...And I greatly appreciate it, because if you hadn't, we'd run into an awful mess /after/ it can't be remedied.I brought this to the attention of @rewrite yesterday and he shared it.
I don't have any American cabs, I've owned all of one in my life and I sold it when it wouldn't fit up my stairwell. No part of me expected that the frame may actually matter, since it doesn't on any monitor I've worked with. I was asked if the tube fit, and it did. So I thought we were off to the races.
So what grounds the tube?K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.
Thank you for clarifying some things.YES YOU NEED AN ISO. THESE SHOULD BE AC WIRED FOR A FULL GROUND AS WELL FOR THE ISO. Otherwise, the ISO is a paperweight.
I am getting tired of wannabe monitor experts on here.
WG4600s were mentioned and the confusion is that frame is used for the interface board and needs to be properly regrounded on top of using an ISO Transformer.
The K7000s need an ISO or you are gonna have ppl blowing chassis.
@DecepticonZero and others are not derailing the damn thread. You guys are not listening to the concerns. You just think they want to "Destroy the Project".
Months of working 80HRS+ a week on salary with COVID has me on the edge. But some of you just aren't listening at all.
I've actually seen K7000 cabs ungrounded work fine. But they always scare the heck out of me. Usually, an earth ground is ran up to the one of the rear screw fasteners of the chassis. So you have ground from dog ears->dag wire->neck board->chassis->earth ground.So what grounds the tube?K7000 runs fine without the frame. HOT is attached to the heatsink on the chassis.