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Thank you for documenting your teardown/clean up with process! I have several NAC's that are probably around the same as yours, but quite playable... and someday I'd really like to clean them up thoroughly and learn them inside and out like this.

Super helpful guide!
 
Really enjoying reading your progress. The hinge, I debated on what to do with mine, ultimately I did similar steps to the hinge but ended up painting it white with high stress enamel paint. The original silver looks good, but personally im not a fan of how it sticks out against the rest of the white of the cab and I didn't want to change having an exposed piece of metal start discoloring or rusting on me again. Just a thought and quick/easy change.
 
Really enjoying reading your progress. The hinge, I debated on what to do with mine, ultimately I did similar steps to the hinge but ended up painting it white with high stress enamel paint. The original silver looks good, but personally im not a fan of how it sticks out against the rest of the white of the cab and I didn't want to change having an exposed piece of metal start discoloring or rusting on me again. Just a thought and quick/easy change.
Thanks! I'm still keeping an eye on it, not sure if this is quite the optimal way to do it. But I'd prefer to keep it metal (as opposed to painted) since that's a bit more 'original'. I'm certainly not too opposed to painting it if this method starts corroding again, though.

Thank you for documenting your teardown/clean up with process! I have several NAC's that are probably around the same as yours, but quite playable... and someday I'd really like to clean them up thoroughly and learn them inside and out like this.

Super helpful guide!
No problem, glad you're finding it useful!


January 11-13th, 2021

I've wanted for a while to learn how to make my own wiring harnesses, so I spent a while researching the connectors and wire routing in the New Astro City. As mentioned above, while I was sleeving the cabinet wiring, one side effect of that process was that I learned a lot more about how the cabinet (and JAMMA in general) is electrically connected, so that helped a lot. I also consulted the wiring diagrams included with the cabinet manuals; those documents are hosted on the Arcade-Otaku wiki, which is an amazing resource for cabinet restoration.

One byproduct of this research is that I've come up with what I think is a complete and concise map of earth ground wire connections in the New Astro City - you can find a wiring diagram and documentation at my git repository here.

I ordered a crimping tool (Hozan P-706) on the recommendation of several friends, and a bunch of connector housings and pins. Originally I placed this order two weeks before Christmas, but it got lost in mail insanity; spent a week a mile from my apartment, was never actually delivered, and then returned to sender at DigiKey three weeks later...

I reordered in the new year and parts came in two days. ?(


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Everything all sorted out:
JST VL 6 and 8 male (for NAOMI - I was originally planning to make my own power harness before I got a Sun PSU)
AMP-UP 4 pin male and female (for stereo audio)
AMP-UP 3 pin female (for integrating with the AC power wiring)
AMP-UP 2 pin male (to make the CP ground cable I'm missing)
AMP-UP 10 pin male (for kick harness)
AMP-UP 12 pin male and female (for CP wiring)
Note: AMP-UP and JST VL use female pins in male housings, and vice-versa, but since the housings are what you as an operator interact with, it's what I'll be using to refer to the connector gender throughout this post.

Spent a while learning to use the crimping tool, practiced on a few crimps before I felt confident enough to do real wiring.

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First up: 4-pin AMP-UP female to stereo banana plugs. This connects into the back of a standard audio amplifier (in my case, the 'Nobsound' branded TPA3116 amp I discussed a few posts back) for providing stereo audio when using JVS or other stereo compatible games. So now the original cabinet speakers are working in stereo!

Honestly when driven by a proper amp like this, I'm quite impressed with how they perform. There's certainly an absence of bass and lower mids, but that's to be expected given the size and age of the drivers. I'm considering swapping to some newer 3" full-range drivers, to see if that offers any improvement. I know some people also add a sub, but that seems a bit overkill to me...

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Next, a '2'-pin AMP-UP female to 3-pin AMP-UP female cable. I didn't have a 2-pin AMP-UP female, but the top 2 pins of a 2x2 AMP-UP 4 pin are directly compatible (and even latch properly), so that's what I'm using until my next Digikey order comes in. This is something totally custom; the idea is to connect to the 2-pin AMP-UP male AC passthrough on the -01X PSU of my cabinet (which is originally intended to power the audio amp, I believe), and use that to tap switched AC, so that I can power other components that switch on along with the cab.

Warning: Due to the limited gauge of the original 2-pin cable, anything connected to this connector needs to be relatively low-current to be thermally safe. I don't plan to put more than a few amps on it.

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This custom cable allows me to 'chain' the Sun PSU off of the -01X PSU built into the cab. You can see it on the right side of this photo, between the Sun PSU and the -01X PSU. This accomplishes three things:
  • Powers the NAOMI from a real Sun PSU, instead of an old server PSU. The ATX PSU was working fine, honestly, but it was way overkill for the power needs of the NAOMI, and didn't have manually adjustable voltage rails.
  • Powers on the NAOMI along with the cabinet. Previously, I had to manually turn on the Naomi and the cab separately, with two separate power switches.
  • Cleans up the wiring a bit, since now there are fewer AC cables running through the cab and less overall cabling length in general.

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Now that I had everything working, I spent some time re-mounting the NAOMI setup and consolidating it onto a single board. The whole thing just baaaarely fits inside the cab, but it does indeed fit. Way cleaner to work with now compared to having most of the NAOMI gear outside the cabinet before!


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Finally, hooked up my Xbox 360 to my SCART->JAMMA adapter. I remember this being a bit temperamental a few years ago; lots of time spent tweaking sync and and picture details... but to my surprise, it worked immediately and without any issues when I set it up again! I think all the issues I was seeing before were due to the underlying monitor problems, and now that I've spent some time repairing the monitor, it also cleaned up a lot of those little quirks.

Next up will probably be finishing cleanup on the 2L12B panel and building a wire harness for it.
 
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January 16th-24th, 2021



Capture Issue, HD15 ("VGA") to SCART Adapter

I was having a weird capture instability issue when capturing from my cab with the OSSC; strangely, it didn't happen when using GBS-Control. After doing some digging, I figured out that the custom cable I'd made was causing some problems.

It's a bit of a complex setup - JAMMA -> BetsuBetsu -> Mini DIN-8 to HD15 (VGA) -> HD15 to SCART -> OSSC

I thought it was a clever idea to make my own cable and breakout to HD15 so that I could use the GBS-Control for capture before my OSSC arrived - and that worked (and continues to work) perfectly! But the HD15->SCART adapter I made was causing unreliable sync. After doing some cable swaps and tests I was able to isolate it to just this component, so I decided to rebuild it and consolidate it into just a single 'adapter'.

Obviously this is just a passive component - it only passes the extracted signal from the cabinet along (usually at 240p, but sometimes at 480i for situations like the Xbox 360 or NAOMI); there is no signal conversion or scaling going on here.

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This is the result. SCART male on one side, VGA female on the other side. The VGA breakout I was using fits entirely within the SCART headshell, with a bit of snipping and filing. While I was in there, I also increased the gauge of the sync line (it was about 28 before, upped it to 22) and added a stereo audio input in the form of a 1/8" TRS.

It still has a few minor problems, and I am now convinced that for the OSSC I need to have a higher quality direct mini-DIN to SCART cable, so I'm planning to buy one from RetroGamingCables soon. But in the meantime, this setup is working reliably now.



Control Panel

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After a few weeks of work, I finally got the 2L12B panel all cleaned up! It took probably about 10 hours in total to scrape off the peeling matte layer; I spread it out over many evenings of watching Netflix and such. Not a huge chore by any means, but quite boring, and a bit more involved than I was initially expecting. There are still a few 'whirls' from the peeling process and minor marks visible on the gloss layer; at some point I will probably polish those out along with the few scratches that went all the way through the matte. But in the meantime it looks quite good, and I'm very pleased with how well it cleaned up!

Compare these photos to the condition of the panel when I got it, in this post.

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Built a full set of Sega Control Panel wire harnesses (since the existing harnesses were old, made for Seimitsu sticks, and only supported 3 buttons per player):
  • Grounding cable
  • Player 1 and Player 2 4-button JAMMA harnesses
  • 10-pin Kick harness
I didn't have all the correct colors of wire, but everything works as it should.

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I took the 2L6B out of the cab and used this as an opportunity to give the CP surround a nice deep cleaning; it's the only part of the cab I didn't get to earlier during the restoration process. There are still a few issues with it that I plan to address eventually with a full resurface/repaint job, but that's a ways off; I just want to enjoy it for now.

This picture was taken before a final pass with some nail files and fine-grit sandpaper to get out the last little flecks of rust under the CP mounting area; it's all nice and clean now.

The last step was mounting the 2L12B to the cabinet (in 2L8 configuration, since I am mostly a shmups player - I only need 4 buttons per player most of the time!). I also had to solder the button 4 wiring down to the JAMMA edge (as originally mentioned in this post, the cabinet harness for some reason had the wires running from the CP down almost to the JAMMA edge, but they weren't actually connected. It was a bit intimidating to do soldering work directly on the edge connector, but it all came out very clean).

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All wired up, tested, and ready to play!

I also managed to get an instruction strip insert from a friend; it wasn't in the best shape, but it cleaned up pretty well with a little effort. Not perfect, but certainly looks nice enough until I decide what art I want to put in there! The repro/custom Ibara artset I've been using is great, but I've had it in the cab for years and I just wanted to change it out to something fresh.
 
Been a while, but I have some more updates to share in the coming days. Again, back-filling the thread with stuff as I am able to document and write it up.


February 2021



Chassis and Capture Upgrades

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Some nice quality of life upgrades for the setup. Installed a NAC Splitfire and an MS9 31kHz-modded autoswitching chassis (freshly solid-state recapped, too!), both courtesy of @Hatsune Mike . Capture is now even more painless than the BetsuBetsu, and the cab now supports 480p. Picture quality at 480p is fantastic, although there are some minor imperfections with the screen edges from certain sources. NAOMI works great for example, but Xbox 360 has some issues with the left and right edges of the screen 'rolling over' the sides of the tube regardless of configured H.Width and H.S.Lim settings. According to the mod's introduction page, it might be possible to improve this behavior (and other quirks) with further research - I hope the project continues to develop.

This time I installed the chassis through the rear service door of the cabinet, instead of removing the entire tube. It was a bit awkward to get at some of the screws, but I was pleasantly surprised by how doable the whole process is from behind - even with the monitor in tate.



NAOMI Cleanup

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Got some parts for the NAOMI setup to clean it up a bit too. Some proper length bolts to retain the NetDIMM cartridge fully, and a right angle USB A to right angle USB B cable to make the JVS wiring tidier.



Control Panel

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After playing on the cab more often I really started to want to play centered, so I bought a 1L6B panel from @alberto1225 . The panel is absolutely beautiful, and it's been working great for me so far!



X360 Temporary Padhack

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I have a much nicer padhack that I built several years ago as a JAMMA solution, but for my current cabinet setup I am not able to use it (as I am using a JVS IO to inject 480p video at the JAMMA edge). So, I needed a way to get 360 controls working that was a cabinet interstitial, rather than a JAMMA device. To that end, I used one of my old spare Akishop PS360+ boards and made a little breakout to a SEGA pinout 12-pin AMP-UP control connector. This lets me easily swap between cabinet controls and console controls just by moving the connector over. The little 24mm is for the Home button when (rarely) needed.

Eventually I'd like to redo the whole control setup and make it much cleaner, but for now this is a very functional quick fix.
 
Love the update especially the right angle USB cable. Where did you get the bolts?
Thanks!

I got them from a friend actually - it's not convenient to buy them in small quantities unless you have a good hardware store nearby. The long one is an M3x70mm metric screw, so in the US it's quite tough to find locally. Me and a few others did a group order from McMaster-Carr if I recall correctly.

Here's a diagram from the NAOMI manual that provides the exact screw type:

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Thanks!

I got them from a friend actually - it's not convenient to buy them in small quantities unless you have a good hardware store nearby. The long one is an M3x70mm metric screw, so in the US it's quite tough to find locally. Me and a few others did a group order from McMaster-Carr if I recall correctly.

Here's a diagram from the NAOMI manual that provides the exact screw type:

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Cool thanks!
 
April 2021


Aesthetics

I've been playing a lot of Dodonpachi Saidaioujou (the 360 port, at least) in the cabinet lately, so I decided to update the Ibara repro artset I was using to an SDOJ set. I found some good scans and cleaned them up, then printed off some variations at my workplace.

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I printed a full-size movestrip and regular instruction card, and also an enlarged instruction card (A3 size) which fills my repro marquee holder a bit better. It's less authentic but right now I'm enjoying the effect.

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For comparison, here's the original sized card installed compared to the A3 enlarged version. I still feel like it's maybe a bit too much, but I'm having fun with it for now.

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I also started experimenting with smart lighting, and set up my space around the cab with RGB controllable bulbs. So I can do fun stuff like this. The blue has a bit of a HEY vibe, which is kinda fun to play in. The camera doesn't capture the color well, but it's much more of a teal/sky blue sort of color than what you see in the photo.



Lit Marquee Experiments

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Inspired by @West 's thread about backlighting their Egret 2 instruction card and strip, I spent a little time playing with an old LED bar to sidelight or front-light the marquee holder. Since it's not designed for this purpose, there are significant limitations to the effect. But this did reveal some interesting things I plan to experiment with more in the future. I think the effect looks really neat, especially with the house lights in 'arcade mode', but it needs a lot more iteration.
 
What AMAZING theard ! Alot of awesome stuff here ! My NAC is almost ready to be shipped (now is in the freight company deposit) . And i will must do rewiring for NVS4000 PSU , now , i only have the Hozan P-706 and some silicone 18AWG cables in hands , but nothing regarded about any other kind of awg cables , connectors and many other things involved in doing harnesses ! Let's see when he comes what is needed to do on it !
 
Nice job. Im restoring an Astro City, and you give to me some ideas (Skate wheels, Light inside...) etc. But im a litl lost in the JVS conversion. I have bought some wires, but really dont know how to continue. I guess i will MP to you.
Thanks for share all the hard job
 
What AMAZING theard ! Alot of awesome stuff here ! My NAC is almost ready to be shipped (now is in the freight company deposit) . And i will must do rewiring for NVS4000 PSU , now , i only have the Hozan P-706 and some silicone 18AWG cables in hands , but nothing regarded about any other kind of awg cables , connectors and many other things involved in doing harnesses ! Let's see when he comes what is needed to do on it !
Thank you very much! Congratulations on getting your cab; I remember that excitement very well!

NVS4000 is a really nice piece; very convenient - it has all the features you'd want in a cab PSU rolled into one. Based on my conversations with a couple friends who have used the NVS, you'll probably want a recap and a couple harnesses (stereo, AC passthrough, and maybe an adapter for the monitor signals). I don't have one myself though so I don't know exactly what you need, unfortunately.
 
Nice job. Im restoring an Astro City, and you give to me some ideas (Skate wheels, Light inside...) etc. But im a litl lost in the JVS conversion. I have bought some wires, but really dont know how to continue. I guess i will MP to you.
Thanks for share all the hard job
For JVS conversion, in an Astro or New Astro you'd mostly want to use a JVS to JAMMA IO like the Sega or Capcom IO boards. The biggest challenge is usually the audio, since these cabs are not built with amplifiers of any kind (JAMMA PCBs include amplification on the PCB already, so there is no need to include an amp in a JAMMA only cab). But yeah sure, you can DM me with details about your setup, or post a new thread and let the community weigh in with suggestions and advice.
 
It's all looking super nice! Sorry I won't be able to make the potluck on Saturday, leaving town for the weekend, but I'm sure our paths will cross at some point. Come by with Ryan on a Thursday night some time.
 
Thank you very much! Congratulations on getting your cab; I remember that excitement very well!

NVS4000 is a really nice piece; very convenient - it has all the features you'd want in a cab PSU rolled into one. Based on my conversations with a couple friends who have used the NVS, you'll probably want a recap and a couple harnesses (stereo, AC passthrough, and maybe an adapter for the monitor signals). I don't have one myself though so I don't know exactly what you need, unfortunately.
The only thing i think was wired , was that nichel part were you can put your foot ... mine was painted in white. Hope i can do something about that white paint and to have it in the original form
 
It's all looking super nice! Sorry I won't be able to make the potluck on Saturday, leaving town for the weekend, but I'm sure our paths will cross at some point. Come by with Ryan on a Thursday night some time.
Thank you very much!

Thursdays are tough for me - I work in the Silver Lake area on all weekdays and I don't have a car right now, so heading down to you guys on a weeknight can be tricky. But I'd love to come by sometime (or maybe have you over someday - I'm slowly starting to host some stuff myself)... I'm sure we'll see each other eventually! I've heard great things about your place and your photos are very inspiring.
 
The only thing i think was wired , was that nichel part were you can put your foot ... mine was painted in white. Hope i can do something about that white paint and to have it in the original form
Assuming you and I are talking about the same footplate piece, I would try chemically stripping paint there first, and if that doesn't work, then you can probably use abrasives to sand off the paint and follow it up with polish. But I didn't have that issue myself, so I can't promise that this will work perfectly!
 
Assuming you and I are talking about the same footplate piece, I would try chemically stripping paint there first, and if that doesn't work, then you can probably use abrasives to sand off the paint and follow it up with polish. But I didn't have that issue myself, so I can't promise that this will work perfectly!
In rest , the cab was painted and looks great in my opinion (yesterday was shipped - 40-50 eta to me) . I didn't knew that part it doent need to be painted and the cab was already shipped from seller to company who was shipped to me when i found this , but lets see when arrieves how we will clean it !
 

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